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Marticat 12-04-2011 04:50 PM

What does a SIC type do for you anyway ?? I thought it only had something to do with international rules should you happen to fly to a location outside of the US. I know I have one for the D8, and the only reason I got it was because we flew to Mexico.

DirectTo 12-04-2011 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by Marticat (Post 1096519)
What does a SIC type do for you anyway ??

It's basically a way for our cheap American regional airlines to meet ICAO requirements and do international flying without giving full PIC types.

Waterflyer 12-04-2011 05:33 PM

Yea, about what I thought. Thanks

frmrdashtrash 12-04-2011 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by DirectTo (Post 1096524)
It's basically a way for our cheap American regional airlines to meet ICAO requirements and do international flying without giving full PIC types.

Helps out in the bizjet world too. Type ratings are expensive.

Tchinson 12-04-2011 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by Waterflyer (Post 1096444)
it appears as though my the sic limitation has been removed from my license after taking my atp. Limitations section now blank, yes I took the ATP in a different a.c. then the one where my sic limit applied.

Is this a mistake on the FAA's part or is this correct?

I ran into someone a year ago that had the same thing. He had an SIC in a Citation, and then got his ATP later on and his new FAA certificate did not have the SIC limitation on it. I really wouldn't worry too much about getting it fixed. Just don't go fly as PIC on the plane until you get the appropriate training.

fjetter 12-04-2011 10:27 PM

Make sure you're not getting SIC type rating and type rating with PIC limitations confused. An SIC allows you to act as ONLY as SIC until appropriate training and checkride takes place for a PIC rating. A PIC type with a PIC limitation is different.

When I got my first PIC type there was a limitation indicating that I could only exercise my PIC privileges when flying with another PIC typed pilot. In order to have that limitation removed I flew our empty legs left seat with a qualified captain. After min 25hrs made an appointment with the FSDO with a new 8710 and was issued a full type without any further training events.

rickair7777 12-05-2011 01:49 AM


Originally Posted by DirectTo (Post 1096524)
It's basically a way for our cheap American regional airlines to meet ICAO requirements and do international flying without giving full PIC types.

Actually it's just a label which is applied to the 121 SIC training you get anyway. The label meets the letter of the ICAO law. For those of us who were FO's when the rule was enacted all we had to do was fill out an 8710 based on our last PC.

rotorhead1026 12-05-2011 03:22 AM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 1096503)
Considering you signed the 8710 which states that you agree that all information is true, I'd say you better get it fixed. You never completed a PIC type ride to remove the SIC type.

Let's not be too dramatic. :) It's likely the 8710 (and the temp. certificate) were filled out properly, and OKC just got it wrong. They're good folks, but they do make mistakes. Happens more often than you'd think. I got a AMES rating added to my ATP when it in fact was a commercial ride. A student took and passed the private rotorcraft helicopter ride (initial); the permanent ticket read ASEL.

Nevertheless and regardless, do as I did - give OKC a call and tell them of the error. They'll send a corrected certificate. IIRC 405-954-3261 .

drrhythm2 12-05-2011 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingNasaForm (Post 1096458)
Yes a person can fly as an SIC with a PIC type rating. Lots of airlines type their FOs.

A type rating (PIC or SIC) can go on a Private, Commercial or ATP certificate.

One interesting thing though - a single pilot type is different than a crew type. I have a C-510S (Citation Mustang) type as a single pilot. I CAN'T legally fly as a flight crew with someone who has a C-510 type unless he/she isn't functioning as a crewmember. Strange huh?

Thedude 12-05-2011 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by drrhythm2 (Post 1096757)
One interesting thing though - a single pilot type is different than a crew type. I have a C-510S (Citation Mustang) type as a single pilot. I CAN'T legally fly as a flight crew with someone who has a C-510 type unless he/she isn't functioning as a crewmember. Strange huh?

Are you sure about that?
The single pilot types I know of allow you to fly either as crew or single pilot.


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