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Waterflyer 12-04-2011 01:54 PM
SIC limitation removed
 
it appears as though my the sic limitation has been removed from my license after taking my atp. Limitations section now blank, yes I took the ATP in a different a.c. then the one where my sic limit applied.

Is this a mistake on the FAA's part or is this correct?

frmrdashtrash 12-04-2011 02:18 PM
Sounds like a mistake.

HercDriver130 12-04-2011 02:25 PM
yep...it would be a mistake

sandrich 12-04-2011 02:25 PM
Not to go off on a tangent, but I always wondered if you can fly SIC with a PIC type. If you have an ATP, would it be a waste of time to get an SIC when you can just get a PIC and never have to worry about upgrading the type rating?

FlyingNasaForm 12-04-2011 02:33 PM
Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1096456)
Not to go off on a tangent, but I always wondered if you can fly SIC with a PIC type. If you have an ATP, would it be a waste of time to get an SIC when you can just get a PIC and never have to worry about upgrading the type rating?
Yes a person can fly as an SIC with a PIC type rating. Lots of airlines type their FOs.

A type rating (PIC or SIC) can go on a Private, Commercial or ATP certificate.

johnso29 12-04-2011 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1096456)
Not to go off on a tangent, but I always wondered if you can fly SIC with a PIC type. If you have an ATP, would it be a waste of time to get an SIC when you can just get a PIC and never have to worry about upgrading the type rating?
You have to be typed in each aircraft. It isn't the ATP that gives you the type. The ATP is the certificate & the type is the rating. It's less costly to SIC type someone, then PIC type someone. Or so I'm told. It's all about $$$.

johnso29 12-04-2011 02:36 PM
Originally Posted by Waterflyer (Post 1096444)
it appears as though my the sic limitation has been removed from my license after taking my atp. Limitations section now blank, yes I took the ATP in a different a.c. then the one where my sic limit applied.

Is this a mistake on the FAA's part or is this correct?
It's a mistake. Your certificate changed, not your ratings. As far as I know(which isn't a lot :D )you should still have the SIC type.

The Dominican 12-04-2011 03:05 PM
Not to go off on a tangent, but I always wondered if you can fly SIC with a PIC type. If you have an ATP, would it be a waste of time to get an SIC when you can just get a PIC and never have to worry about upgrading the type rating?
As far as I know only the U.S. has an SIC type, everywhere else all the crew members have a P1 (PIC) type rating, our F/O's take their training for their check ride on the left seat just like the captains do, the difference comes after their check ride when they go back to the sim to get their right seat qualification, but then again, they don't seem to be too worried about training cost since their training period is six months

Twin Wasp 12-04-2011 03:53 PM
What, don't you remember:

An Aviation Safety Inspector, Aviation Safety Technician, or Examiner must inform the applicant that the
SIC Privileges Only limitation may only be removed if the applicant completes the appropriate training and pilot type rating practical test for pilot-in-command (PIC) qualification.

OKC screws up all the time. I got a cert that didn't have the circling limitation on a new type. Most of my types are from before the circling limitation, the temp had the limitation, the plastic card didn't. Called a friend at the local FSDO and got a number for Airman Certification in OKC. A real person picked up the phone, pulled up my file while I was talking with her, agreed it was wrong. I promised not to circle and when I got home from my trip ten days later there was the new cert in the mail.


MusicPilot 12-04-2011 04:08 PM
Considering you signed the 8710 which states that you agree that all information is true, I'd say you better get it fixed. You never completed a PIC type ride to remove the SIC type.


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