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MusicPilot 01-15-2012 04:06 AM

It's not about what the plane can and can't do and how much it'll cost to do it. It's about the comforts of a jet versus a prop that the customers have been complaining about.

The Juice 01-15-2012 05:57 AM


It's not about what the plane can and can't do and how much it'll cost to do it. It's about the comforts of a jet versus a prop that the customers have been complaining about.
The comforts of a jet? You mean a 3.5 hour block flight, stuck in a 50 seater?

newarkblows 01-15-2012 06:00 AM

The emb 135 can usually fly full with a full load of bags as long as there isn't a big alt fuel burn. It makes sense if you have really light loads between two points. Ever since CAL started charging for bags the carry ons have been adding up. The q 400 has a small baggage compartment and has had to leave bags behind on full flights. Usually they throw them on the next flight. What CAL found out when they originally brought in CHQ was that when you start bumping people due to weight restrictions, or leaving bags behind forcing compensation it adds up to a pretty sizeable number fast.

These 135's are already being paid for by CAL who was able to work out a deal with the lease holder. The replacement parts are already there, the replacement parts cost a hell of a lot less when you are ordering for 245 airplanes vs 30 airplanes, no new maintenance guys needed, no new pilot training required, and if it breaks there are 245 more of them to find a replacement to still operate the flight.

newarkblows 01-15-2012 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1117486)
The comforts of a jet? You mean a 3.5 hour block flight, stuck in a 50 seater?

There should be a law against that. EWR - OMA, EWR - TUL, EWR - MCI...

johnso29 01-15-2012 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 1117489)
There should be a law against that. EWR - OMA, EWR - TUL, EWR - MCI...

I remember working YYZ-IAH............ugh.

Wingtips 01-15-2012 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 1117489)
There should be a law against that. EWR - OMA, EWR - TUL, EWR - MCI...


We do it at Eagle too, LGA-XNA, MIA-IND, MIA-PIT, MIA-CLE, MIA-CVG, MIA-CMH....many more

DirectTo 01-15-2012 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 1117440)
It's not about what the plane can and can't do and how much it'll cost to do it. It's about the comforts of a jet versus a prop that the customers have been complaining about.

You sound like the typical "you gotta get jet time! Turboprop doesn't count!" guy.

LostInPA 01-15-2012 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 1117395)
UAL has to pay the leases on these parked aircraft anyways. They would still pay the same lease even if they brought other aircraft to do this flying.

Even more of a compelling reason to fly them instead of starting a small turboprop operation, then.

GlobeTreker 01-15-2012 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by DirectTo (Post 1117518)
You sound like the typical "you gotta get jet time! Turboprop doesn't count!" guy.

Everybody knows turboprop time is inferior to jet time. Expressjet is hiring if you want to make yourself marketable for the majors.

etflies 01-15-2012 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by MusicPilot (Post 1117440)
It's not about what the plane can and can't do and how much it'll cost to do it. It's about the comforts of a jet versus a prop that the customers have been complaining about.

Its ALL about cost. As far as comfort goes, I've ridden on every RJ currently flown by US operators, and all but one turboprop type. Personally I'd put a couple of the props at the top of the list, certainly above the 50 seat RJs. To each his own though.

It does amuse me when im walking out to the airplane for my next flight and a passengers asks methis old the Q400 they're looking at is. I had one guy tell me I was wrong when I told him the airplane wasn't yet a month old. Oh well.


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