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Cessnan1315efw 02-02-2012 02:59 PM

AWAC Hiring Plans/New Minimums
 
I'm currently in training with Air Wisconsin and wanted to update everyone with regard to their hiring plans and new minimums. The Director of Training came to our class today and told us that they have extended their hiring plans for pilots. The original plan was to hire through July. That's been extended now to November. So that is good. However, as of today they have raised the minimums from 800/100 to 1000/100. In addition, the minimums will be going up again on July 1st to 1200/100. The new minimums are already reflected on the job posting for CRJ First Officer on the website. Best of luck to all current and future applicants.

nkm06 02-02-2012 03:11 PM

Nope, it still says 800/100.

nkm06 02-02-2012 03:12 PM

Never mind, there are two section with different minimums. I just saw the one where it says 1000/100, my bad :(!

Cessnan1315efw 02-02-2012 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by nkm06 (Post 1128129)
Never mind, there are two section with different minimums. I just saw the one where it says 1000/100, my bad :(!

Yep. If you click on current openings then find CRJ First Officer and click on that, you will get the most recent info. Here it is:

https://rn12.ultipro.com/air1002/job...0A4A14B386FB56

stbloc 02-02-2012 04:12 PM

Why are the minimums going up in July? What dictates that?

What 02-02-2012 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 1128160)
Why are the minimums going up in July? What dictates that?

One would assume because it's that much closer to August 2013 and the "ATP rule"

block30 02-02-2012 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1128176)
One would assume because it's that much closer to August 2013 and the "ATP rule"

Thank science for that! Can't wait! Anyone know when a final rule is coming out? Someone more than just a checkairman shall we say, rode in the jump seat about a month ago and said the rule should be out really soon.

Stryker 02-02-2012 05:41 PM

It was signed into law in August of 2010.... I dont know the exact law, but it is officially "on the books"....

block30 02-02-2012 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by Stryker (Post 1128209)
It was signed into law in August of 2010.... I dont know the exact law, but it is officially "on the books"....

Yeah, I know it was signed, but wasn't there a big chance of amendments watering the ATP waaay down?

skyxbomb 02-02-2012 07:23 PM

Last checkairmen that sat Jumpseat on our flight said most likely the four year part 141 grads will get an exception of being ATPed at 800 hours instead of 1500. :D

coryk 02-02-2012 07:31 PM

Do you need to be a graduate of the university or just their flight program? I went to ERAU after getting out of the Navy, got my ratings thru Comm-multi then left to start a job and will finish the degree online thru their online courses. That always confused me.

goaround2000 02-02-2012 07:34 PM


Last checkairmen that sat Jumpseat on our flight said most likely the four year part 141 grads will get an exception of being ATPed at 800 hours instead of 1500. :D
Yes, because we all know that classroom time is so much valuable than actual time!!! Wow!!!

I have one of those useless aviation Degrees and I can tell you that other than theoretical knowledge, the actual flying was and still is what builds my character. I wonder how much the riddle guys paid to lobbyist?

UpThere 02-03-2012 03:36 AM


Originally Posted by goaround2000 (Post 1128300)
I wonder how much the riddle guys paid to lobbyist?


Probably about enough to make the tuition down there go up about $20,000 per student

saab2000 02-03-2012 12:26 PM

A vacancy was announced today which will result in 5 captain upgrades. Among a bunch of people moving around there are 5 new captains. So that's good news.

727flteng 02-03-2012 05:20 PM

I realize this is probably not the correct forum for my question, but this thread is kinda focused on 5900 so was wondering if you guys knew the answers...

First, the way I read it, it states you will need an ATP for hiring into the regionals when the time comes, hence the 1500 hour number being thrown around. Does anyone know if the time reducing requirements still stand, aka flight engineer time counting for 500 of those hours? I'm "planning" on having the 1500 by the time the rule hits, but one never knows. I'm currently sitting at about 600 / 100 ME and was hoping to get the ATP pretty close to 1000 if this exception still applies (have 6000 hours FE time, 2000 of it part 121)

Second; Have I read it correctly that you just need an ATP, or do you need ATP AND 1500 hours. Thanks for the clarifications, just trying to be marketable asap!

IDIOTPILOT 02-03-2012 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by 727flteng (Post 1128788)
I realize this is probably not the correct forum for my question, but this thread is kinda focused on 5900 so was wondering if you guys knew the answers...

First, the way I read it, it states you will need an ATP for hiring into the regionals when the time comes, hence the 1500 hour number being thrown around. Does anyone know if the time reducing requirements still stand, aka flight engineer time counting for 500 of those hours? I'm "planning" on having the 1500 by the time the rule hits, but one never knows. I'm currently sitting at about 600 / 100 ME and was hoping to get the ATP pretty close to 1000 if this exception still applies (have 6000 hours FE time, 2000 of it part 121)

Second; Have I read it correctly that you just need an ATP, or do you need ATP AND 1500 hours. Thanks for the clarifications, just trying to be marketable asap!


(b) Minimum Requirements- To be qualified to receive an airline transport pilot certificate pursuant to subsection (a), an individual shall--
(1) have sufficient flight hours, as determined by the Administrator, to enable a pilot to function effectively in an air carrier operational environment; and
(2) have received flight training, academic training, or operational experience that will prepare a pilot, at a minimum, to--
(A) function effectively in a multipilot environment;
(B) function effectively in adverse weather conditions, including icing conditions;
(C) function effectively during high altitude operations;
(D) adhere to the highest professional standards; and
(E) function effectively in an air carrier operational environment.
(c) Flight Hours-
(1) NUMBERS OF FLIGHT HOURS- The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall be at least 1,500 flight hours.
(2) FLIGHT HOURS IN DIFFICULT OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS- The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall include sufficient flight hours, as determined by the Administrator, in difficult operational conditions that may be encountered by an air carrier to enable a pilot to operate safely in such conditions.
(d) Credit Toward Flight Hours- The Administrator may allow specific academic training courses, beyond those required under subsection (b)(2), to be credited toward the total flight hours required under subsection (c). The Administrator may allow such credit based on a determination by the Administrator that allowing a pilot to take specific academic training courses will enhance safety more than requiring the pilot to fully comply with the flight hours requirement.
The law says in order to get an ATP, you'll need to have 1500 hours or have credit toward flight hours. This isn't a regulation yet so it's still unclear how it will be incorporated into Part 61. Current regs state you can use your FE time as described. Try and get your ATP by then and it shouldn't matter.

fosters 02-03-2012 06:27 PM

Also RDU is going to be closing, possibly CLT and/or CAE opening, I heard from a friend

jackal24 02-03-2012 08:10 PM


Also RDU is going to be closing, possibly CLT and/or CAE opening, I heard from a friend
Yup. They just sent out the memo today. More info at the end of the month.

Tom a Hawk 02-05-2012 12:44 PM

How about DCA? senior? junior? small? large?
new hires being put in all bases?

Moonwolf 02-05-2012 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk (Post 1129749)
How about DCA? senior? junior? small? large?
new hires being put in all bases?

junior is orf. dca you can probably get off the bat, although you would be rsv for a few months at least.

Jakeb 02-05-2012 01:18 PM

How many they plan to hire? What's the chances of a Clt base?

DryMotorBoatin 02-05-2012 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1129763)
junior is orf. dca you can probably get off the bat, although you would be rsv for a few months at least.


there any crashpads around DCA? turns out i wont be able to afford a place at the watergate

skyxbomb 02-05-2012 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by UpThere (Post 1128367)
Probably about enough to make the tuition down there go up about $20,000 per student

Lol if the students shell out 200k in tuition and useless degree, at least give them ATP earlier!!! I wasn't able to advantage of that but some kids in the future will. I was kidding about checkairmen jumpseating btw since somebody asked about a source other than checkairmen.

skyxbomb 02-05-2012 02:09 PM

Welcome to CLT btw, you're going to hate it :P stay away from south of the airport near nation fords road. I was there for a year and saw and heard about so much crimes!!

Lawn 02-05-2012 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Jakeb (Post 1129768)
How many they plan to hire? What's the chances of a Clt base?

They are planning on hiring 200 through November, and minimums will be raised this summer to 1200/100. Once RDU closes, and if it actually does, CLT or CAE are a possibility. My guess is CAE over CLT since we have a maintenance base there, but who knows.

AJ Crowley 02-05-2012 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 1129781)
there any crashpads around DCA? turns out i wont be able to afford a place at the watergate

There are some great crashpads a short walk or metro ride from the airport in Crystal City. They run $225-$235 a month, and the one I was in was the nicest crashpad I've ever seen. Plus crystal city is a great area. Tons of bars and restaurants.

SongMan 05-08-2013 08:15 AM

AWAC still hiring?
Are they strict on 100 multi min?
Anyone have phone number to HR?

Thanks!

saab2000 05-09-2013 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by SongMan (Post 1405539)
AWAC still hiring?
Are they strict on 100 multi min?
Anyone have phone number to HR?

Thanks!

  • They are hiring.
  • Yes, you need to meet mins because you have to be able to have an ATP.
  • Calling HR will not get you a job and it could prevent you from getting one.

SongMan 05-09-2013 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 1406051)
  • They are hiring.
  • Yes, you need to meet mins because you have to be able to have an ATP.
  • Calling HR will not get you a job and it could prevent you from getting one.

Multi time is not part of the ATP min.

saab2000 05-09-2013 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by SongMan (Post 1406077)
Multi time is not part of the ATP min.

You've got nothing to lose by applying. You'll know the answer by the response you get.

smackahoCEO 05-09-2013 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 1406051)
  • Calling HR will not get you a job and it could prevent you from getting one.

Not true. That's how my friend got his application looked at 7 years ago. Their online application and review process leaves a lot of guys in the dark. I wrote him a refferal, he picked up the phone, called, the lady pulled up his application, and he was offered an interview 4 days later and in class 14 days after the interview. So 18 days after he called he was sitting in class.

I was happy because they paid me my finders fee. He is now a Captain here. So your scenario doesn't always play out the way you say. If anything, it shows initiative. Especially that someone is that eager to come work for $20,000 a year :)

saab2000 05-09-2013 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by smackahoCEO (Post 1406090)
Not true. That's how my friend got his application looked at 7 years ago. Their online application and review process leaves a lot of guys in the dark. I wrote him a refferal, he picked up the phone, called, the lady pulled up his application, and he was offered an interview 4 days later and in class 14 days after the interview. So 18 days after he called he was sitting in class.

I was happy because they paid me my finders fee. He is now a Captain here. So your scenario doesn't always play out the way you say. If anything, it shows initiative. Especially that someone is that eager to come work for $20,000 a year :)

That's cool. I have not heard of such stories. I know the hiring process is murky. Glad you got paid too!

With so many applicants for so few jobs it is not easy to know how and why all the time.

I wish everyone success. There are worse companies to work for than AWAC. Better ones too but it's not a horrible place if you come to work with your eyes wide open.

Cessnan1315efw 05-09-2013 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by smackahoCEO (Post 1406090)
Not true. That's how my friend got his application looked at 7 years ago. Their online application and review process leaves a lot of guys in the dark. I wrote him a refferal, he picked up the phone, called, the lady pulled up his application, and he was offered an interview 4 days later and in class 14 days after the interview. So 18 days after he called he was sitting in class.

I was happy because they paid me my finders fee. He is now a Captain here. So your scenario doesn't always play out the way you say. If anything, it shows initiative. Especially that someone is that eager to come work for $20,000 a year :)


+1 this is how i got the job and the HR guy said he picked most of our interview pool from people who went out of their way to reach out to him. defintely shows you really want the job.

BTpilot 05-09-2013 10:47 AM

Hmm 3 years ago I got hired by doing absolutely nothing...

Put app in and they called a month later?..

todd405 05-10-2013 08:06 AM

Does Air Wisconsin have any relationship with United anymore? It says on their website that US Airways and United are their partners. I thought they were only US Airways Express.

Lawn 05-10-2013 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by smackahoCEO (Post 1406090)
Not true. That's how my friend got his application looked at 7 years ago. Their online application and review process leaves a lot of guys in the dark. I wrote him a refferal, he picked up the phone, called, the lady pulled up his application, and he was offered an interview 4 days later and in class 14 days after the interview. So 18 days after he called he was sitting in class.

I was happy because they paid me my finders fee. He is now a Captain here. So your scenario doesn't always play out the way you say. If anything, it shows initiative. Especially that someone is that eager to come work for $20,000 a year :)

I called HR in December 2011 and was in class 4 weeks later. Once I got through to the right person, I was offered to do a pre-screen on the phone and offered an interview in Appleton 48 hours later. If you want to work here, patience is a necessity and once an interview is offered - do not turn it down. Good Luck!

Lawn 05-10-2013 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by todd405 (Post 1406877)
Does Air Wisconsin have any relationship with United anymore? It says on their website that US Airways and United are their partners. I thought they were only US Airways Express.

Ground handling only. AWAC does not fly under the United name, US Airways only. For now :p

BTpilot 05-10-2013 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Lawn (Post 1406881)
Ground handling only. AWAC does not fly under the United name, US Airways only. For now :p

Come fall our planes are gonna say American Eagle :(

Cessnan1315efw 05-10-2013 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by BTpilot (Post 1406887)
Come fall our planes are gonna say American Eagle :(

yeah lol but at least they'll get something they need PAINT

Lawn 05-10-2013 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Cessnan1315efw (Post 1406906)
yeah lol but at least they'll get something they need PAINT

Has the company said anything on when and if we are really getting Eagle branded?


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