The Worst has Yet to Come for Regional Airlines
#21
If you think it's so easy, I challenge you to a trade off then. We each start with $1000 of our own money. You and I trade for two consecutive full days at an agreed upon neutral location. You bring your laptop and trading account and I'll bring mine. Make sure the location has high speed internet 100 Mbps.
Rules:
-2 Days of trading
-Margin if you like
-Allowed to trade Stocks, Options, Commodities or Futures
-Allowed to trade Long or Short
-Allowed to trade as many times as you wish
-Allowed to trade Pre and Post Market (1hr only) each side
-Allowed to use a second screen if you have one
-Allowed to hold overnight on first night if desired
-You can utilize any software you like or none
-If you lose all $1,000 then other is declared the winner
-Winner determined by Largest % increase over $1,000.
-Any other rules you can think of that are fair
#22
No, I don't think that it's easy at all to choose a winner.
I think its gambling.
A 140% return on investments is NOT a reasonable expectation for any investor or trader. But if you do trade frequently you are bound to hit a big score inevitably. You are also likely to lose your shirt inevitably.
But if you can demonstrate that you have managed a portfolio with 140% annual growth for a number of years I''ll hire you to be my financial planner.
I think its gambling.
A 140% return on investments is NOT a reasonable expectation for any investor or trader. But if you do trade frequently you are bound to hit a big score inevitably. You are also likely to lose your shirt inevitably.
But if you can demonstrate that you have managed a portfolio with 140% annual growth for a number of years I''ll hire you to be my financial planner.
#24
The stock market is no different then gambling. Like robthree said, you are bound to hit is big onceor twice but you are just as likely to get hurt bad. Like a gambler you hear a stock broker talk much more frequently about his big hits and very rarely about the time he didnt make any money that year because of a few bad gambles.
#25
Mccube,
The best traders measure themselves by long term, whole portfolio perfromance The ones who talk about one or two big winners are either trying impress a potential mate or have conviently forgotten the loses.
The best poker players LOVE playing the guy who talks about the one huge win: just take half his money nine times, then let him double it once. He will keep coming back for more.
Good investors, whether in stocks or cards, remember each loss VIVIDLY and try to learn from the mistakes
The best traders measure themselves by long term, whole portfolio perfromance The ones who talk about one or two big winners are either trying impress a potential mate or have conviently forgotten the loses.
The best poker players LOVE playing the guy who talks about the one huge win: just take half his money nine times, then let him double it once. He will keep coming back for more.
Good investors, whether in stocks or cards, remember each loss VIVIDLY and try to learn from the mistakes
#26
The stock market is no different then gambling. Like robthree said, you are bound to hit is big onceor twice but you are just as likely to get hurt bad. Like a gambler you hear a stock broker talk much more frequently about his big hits and very rarely about the time he didnt make any money that year because of a few bad gambles.
Talking about the big hits is the mark of the inexperienced trader. In my experience, when you reach the point that you think you are smarter than the market, go ahead and close the trade. Because that's the point where you start heading for a loss.
#27
I disagree, the stock market is not gambling. Like anything else, if you take the time to get an education, you can definitely do better than those that dont.
Talking about the big hits is the mark of the inexperienced trader. In my experience, when you reach the point that you think you are smarter than the market, go ahead and close the trade. Because that's the point where you start heading for a loss.
Talking about the big hits is the mark of the inexperienced trader. In my experience, when you reach the point that you think you are smarter than the market, go ahead and close the trade. Because that's the point where you start heading for a loss.

#28
Heres a little business 101 Ellen:
The regional carriers will not continue to lower the bar to the point that they can't make money. There will come a point where the management at the regionals will take a stand and say to the mainline carriers "look, if we do it cheaper, we will lose our shirts. This is our offer, take it or leave it." Even if the pilots and FAs worked FOR FREE airplanes, gas, facilities, equipment, etc. cost money. Bottom line: the regional airlines are in business to make money. They aren't providing a service because they get a kick out of flying around little metal tubes full of people.
The regional carriers will not continue to lower the bar to the point that they can't make money. There will come a point where the management at the regionals will take a stand and say to the mainline carriers "look, if we do it cheaper, we will lose our shirts. This is our offer, take it or leave it." Even if the pilots and FAs worked FOR FREE airplanes, gas, facilities, equipment, etc. cost money. Bottom line: the regional airlines are in business to make money. They aren't providing a service because they get a kick out of flying around little metal tubes full of people.
#29
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Ultimately, regionals are still businesses and there will come a time when they will absolutely not be able to offer their services for any less; I think/hope that we are approaching that point.
I think the premise of the original post is that they will not make for good investments for very much longer- I cannot argue with that at all. They have already cut costs/pay so much that very soon (as posted earlier) some of them will not be able to make a profit even if they had no labor costs.
I think the premise of the original post is that they will not make for good investments for very much longer- I cannot argue with that at all. They have already cut costs/pay so much that very soon (as posted earlier) some of them will not be able to make a profit even if they had no labor costs.
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