Originally Posted by Peeinginthesink (Post 1132861)

It will be Compass flying the new planes for AA, and I'd wager there will be 190s in a 2-class, 88-seat configuration involved. I hope for all involved that I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by hesitant

Thanks for wishing me luck on my job hunt. I am going to need it. My plan is to stick it out and and not quit like you did.
Why don't we stop arguing. I will try to be nicer if you can try to be smarter.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1132672)

Too many IMHO.....at least in EVERY hub. I think AMR will get a lot of what they want on scope. There will be more RJ's and larger RJ's and multiple carriers, but 4 in each hub seems too many. How many more and how larger will be the question. Not every regional will operate in every hub and I'm also betting turboprops like the Q400 are somewhere in the mix. If AMR does indeed grow AA as well as they are promising, then RJ jobs would go to the pilot group that bids/flies them. But a low-bidder/whipsaw scenario makes for a lousy career. The key for us AT THE VERY LEAST, is to ensure that if RJ growth DOES come at the expense of mainline jobs (like the past), then those who lose jobs get protections by virtue of captains positions on the RJ's. That is at the very LEAST.

If it's AMR's intent to simply outsource to that degree, there's nothing left to save or fight for, for the bottom half of the AA list. Any deal like that simply will result in the bottom half recognizing that (along with many captains who'd become F/O's.......potentially for the remainder of their careers, considering their age), that a vote on any such TA would be no by the majority forcing AMR to proceed with their "plan" with their pilots under a contentious work order and its resulting bedlam. At that point, I think their reorganization plan would fail due to uncertainty and lack of confidence and merger/fragmentation would occur quicker. Considering the history of this company and management, I simply cannot and will not give any blind trust to promises and any "yes" vote on a TA will have to give me confidence in job security. I'll vote no without that, the cos
equences be damned.

Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 1132830)

I really believe you CaptainCarl when you say you haven't been in the industry for quite a while after you make a statement like that.

Originally Posted by hesitant (Post 1132871)

:confused:
:confused:Sorry, what do you mean Compass flying?

Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 1132139)

well fly them if we take concessions.

Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 1132221)

not saying we SHOULD take concessions, just saying that well most likely be offered the chance to get all the replacement aircraft if we give them what they want. The question is how much will they want. If its just a couple dollars difference then its worth it. Much more then that will be bad IMO. I really don't see them cutting FO's that much. Its our senior captains that will get whacked, since the company will be even more happy if the cuts force some of those senior guys to move on.

Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1132773)

Mainline pay for mainline equiptment! If you agree to fly these aircraft for regional wages, you're doing serious damage to your own career progression.

Originally Posted by Peeinginthesink (Post 1132861)

It will be Compass flying the new planes for AA, and I'd wager there will be 190s in a 2-class, 88-seat configuration involved. I hope for all involved that I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 1133350)

Come on man. Do you really want to take concessions in order to fly a "bigger" airplane? This is what is killing the industry. I know I'm going to be flamed becasue I fly the 170 but I didn't take concessions to do it and in fact if I don't get a raise here soon I will set the brake and walk off. Lets stop the bleeding.

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 1133357)

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CANAM
And what if the judge grants AA request and turns it into regional pay for mainline equipment? Will the APA demand the E190s go to AE? Will AE refuse to fly them?

Just askin'

Originally Posted by CANAM (Post 1133494)

Semantics semanitcs. What if the judge forces AE to fly 777s? What if she makes AE fly for free?! At the end of the day, I'm assuming AE's MEC would have to negotiate a payscale. The AE MEC should walk away, but they never do. This will only further slow the career progression of pilots by making them fly larger planes for less and less money.

Put it this way, if you create a time machine, go back in time. All the way back to 1990. Find the nearest mainline pilot and tell him/her that very soon regionals will be flying jets. The pilot would laugh. When you told him/her they'd be 76-99 seat jets, he/she would litterally die.