AE to get E175's?
 

* Valor says AA to renegotiate $1.6 bln debt with BNDES

* AA may return jets to Embraer, CEO Horton tells Valor

Feb 8 (Reuters) - American Airlines is renegotiating terms of $1.6 billion in debt owed to Brazil's state development bank to help it emerge more rapidly from bankruptcy in the United States, a Brazilian newspaper said on Wednesday.

American Airlines Chief Executive Thomas Horton, who was named in November to the top post at the third-largest U.S. airline, declined to say how the company plans to pay the BNDES, according to a report by Valor Econômico.

The airline's parent company, AMR Corp, wants to rework terms of the debt, which it incurred to finance the purchase of Embraer planes between 1998 and 2002, as part of its bankruptcy restructuring.

The company filed for bankruptcy in November, saddled with over $30 billion in debt and a flagging market for its business.

It could return some planes to Embraer and pay down a portion of the BNDES debt, Horton told Valor, naming one potential alternative the company is working with.

"Embraer will assist both American Airlines and BNDES in the reassignment of the aircraft," an Embraer press representative said via telephone, adding that the company sees American's restructuring as an opportunity for future sales of larger jets such as the Embraer 175.

Press representatives for American Airlines did not respond to requests for comment while a spokesman at Rio de Janeiro BNDES did not have a comment on the Valor report.

Looks to me that it simply says that Embraer would like to sell AA/AE some E175s.

I have a feeling that Embraer would like to sell jets to every airline and flight department out there.

RJ Pilot, you, sir, and your thread title belong with this lot:

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+1. I'm also sure AMR would probably want someone that has experience and associated costs for establishing training with the E-Jets to keep cost down. ie. RP, CZ.

I bet they say "connection" on the side if they ever hit the ramp.

Will the former "American Eagle" brand get E-175's ?

I think the answer is "yes", but it will be changed to a "One World" carrier with the same paint as American Airlines aircraft. In fact, these aircraft would be OWNED by American Airlines. The question is WHEN they get them and WHO will fly them.

The likely time to get them is AFTER exiting Chapter 11 bankruptcy when financing could be approved without going through a judge and American Airlines pilots will fight tooth and nail to ensure aircraft owned by American Airlines are flown by pilots on the APA seniority list. Quite possibly, current American Eagle pilots will be consolidated onto the AA list as there are already two agreements by ALPA at Eagle to offer future positions at AA to Eagle pilots.

They will say American Connection operated by Chautauqua Airlines on the side...:eek:

Embraer sees a big opportunity here if managements gets their way with scope. I hope AE gets all the new flying should it come about. However, it didn't mention a deal with American, only that there is an opportunity to sell jets due to American restructuring. My guess is the additional flying will be split up among multiple regionals. American wants to join the club and play multiple partners against each other. They spread out the flying between eagle and at least 2 other carriers once scope is relaxed, if that actually happens.

I think everything will have a "One World" scheme, so as to blur who actually operates the aircraft. The actual operator will be in fine print.

well fly them if we take concessions.

No I think you guys are missing it they will say.........................................U.S. Airways

You'll get them, and they'll look cool as hell, but the pay scale will be less that than the current ERJ scale...

My bet says on the off chance U and AA merge, it will AA as the surviving entity and name. The aircraft will be operated under a new One World livery and that will include all future One World members and regionals.

We're working very hard right now to prevent that. Currently APA is in negotiations and scope is primary. Eagle on the other hand is standing around waiting for their marching orders whatever they may be. If you had any leverage or importance, you'd be negotiating right now too, but you're not.

At the very least, limiting aircraft to no larger then E-175's and providing future furlough protection (into Captains seats) for AA pilots should AA shrink and the E-175's take that flying and those jobs.

You're wishing us the best to uphold the profession, right ? :rolleyes:

not saying we SHOULD take concessions, just saying that well most likely be offered the chance to get all the replacement aircraft if we give them what they want. The question is how much will they want. If its just a couple dollars difference then its worth it. Much more then that will be bad IMO. I really don't see them cutting FO's that much. Its our senior captains that will get whacked, since the company will be even more happy if the cuts force some of those senior guys to move on.

Hey you go girl and uphold that profession!

Just don't expect those of us at Eagle who might not have it in our plans to go to AA to fall on our sword for your 'profession'.

Until (if) we are 'one list', there is no loyalty to your job over the one paying my mortgage as far as I am concerned.

Nicely said, I always get a kick out of those guys that say you dont want any more aircraft at AE or XJT. Well I do pretty dam good here and could careless about mainline. They want us to take one for them, yeh right! Well, you take one for us first. Then I'll think about it!
We both know this is a your one way street with a big yellow stripe up the middle of it, get the pun?

No problem there pumpkin. The pilots here are aware that you're gunning for more AA flying.

Hugs and kisses for everyone here ! ;)

Hey, put that thing away, I'm not that kind of girl. :eek:

And I don't care what flying you think is 'yours'. That only matters in a strike. If you want all of OUR flying (or whoever else will be soon flying OUR routes), then APA shouldn't have let us have it in scope clauses in the first place, and then accept the complications of a "one list" and fight for it back. Good luck with that one!

Otherwise why do I care?

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AA scope limits Eagle to 47 CRJ jets with max. seating to 70-seats. I'm sorry to bear bad tidings, but the flying described doesn't even belong to Eagle now.

I'm afraid when it comes to aircraft of this size, OWNED by AA, you're writing checks your scope clause can't cash.

I really hope that mainline guys fly any new EMB170s that come. Anybody else is slitting their career progressing throats for a cheap one time gain that will lead nowhere.

It's modern term is "Shiny Jet Syndrome". Talked to several Eagle pilots over the last few weeks and some are hoping for the A319's.

I was hoping for the 777 in "One World" paint. :p

Seriously, I don't wish ill will on anyone. This bankruptcy is going to be painful for everyone.

If you have been in this industry for more than 15 years, much less my 25 I might consider your advice. But I doubt it.

I hope Eagle shrivels up and dies along with all the other regionals. This industry makes me sick some days.

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Yo, are you serious, bro?

Enough Allready
 

Captain Carl, We don't need your inflamatory remarks here at all. If you hate the industry that bad, why don'y you leave? You make me sick some days!

Did you learn your lesson on scope?

I'm already out, hesitant. Why don't you just run back along to looking for a flight instructor's job and misspelling words, hmmkay?

The hard way. Twice. If I ever get back into the airlines, I'll have the biggest hard on for scope you ever did see. And I'm sure I won't be alone.

eaglefly,

the aircraft will say oneworld on the side, A320, B737, B767 operated by British Airways and Iberia flying throughout the USA, OPENSKIES. You new BRAND.

You swing with the fence gate , dependent on where you are, whether AE or AA. But APA has always been short sighted and will be again. The only thing APA just as Alpa can do is call mgt move.

Eaglefly, seems you have inflated your importance again. Were you not an ALPA rep that kept selling out the pilot group here at AE?

Just remember, just like AE, APA does not own any routes in the USA. AA might own slots, but they can be leased out. All route overseas are mostly with openskies agreed countries, no routes owned by AA, routes can be flown by anyone.

AA needs a major overhaul, its intenational flight inflight service lags very far behind most US carriers and definitly way behind foriegn carriers. Domestic, AA is nothing more than an overpriced hamburger, and stale.

AA is nothing more than an overpriced hamburger, and stale.

Now that is funny, I don't care who you are:)

I've heard a couple remarks on this and I think the only guys wanting this are the really senior guys who only have a few years left or the really junior guys who get excited about the thought of flying a bigger airplane. Most of the guys talking about it are just yanking your chain and messing around, from my perspective. Anyone wishing to get these aircraft either have ulterior motives or clearly do not see the big picture.

I really hope American is somehow able to maintain it's current scope. I know that is highly unlikely though, so hopefully they can limit it to the E175.

That being said, I was hoping to make a career out of this. Eagle is not what I had in mind.

As a side note, I readily admit that I may have a reoccurring wet dream of combining the seniority lists. Maybe you should put that at the forefront of your negotiations. :D

I certainly think that there will be larger Embraer’s in an American paint job, but no current AMR pilot will ever operate them. While we can have a ****ing match between AA and AE, management is done with negotiating. They want to go down the road paved by Delta, United, and Airways. There will be 4 regionals flying for AA and I doubt the future has AE doing any. Eagle will become the next Comair, too much of a burden for its big daddy so it will be snuffed out. These E-jets will be treated like the Delta JFK CRJ-900’s. They will be owned by AA and flow by the cheapest pilot group of the month.
I wish the one list could happen but never will. When management achieves its goal of 50% outsourced flying by multiple partners, they never need to worry about a strike again. These guys learned from the Lorenzo tactics and will magnify the busting technique.

AE doesn't own any flying. It's not yours, nor is it mainlines. I don't even know why we have unions anymore. There's little unity remaining in this profession. Sad indeed. :(

If Eagle is going away, why let 119 pilots that were on the ATR sit around with pay until April to incur the cost of training to move to other equipment? Granted that could always change since this is the first half of Feb but I would think they would have furloughed immediately (other than the DEC 5th class.) I really expected AMR to try and furlough out of seniority order so they could avoid the big training bubble. IMO they have bigger plans for Eagle. What they are none of us know. Only time will tell.

Agreed. All the more reason to seek and maintain as much job protection as possible.

We ALL swing with the gate of whatever fence we happen to be on at any given time. If you go to SWA, I'd expect you to turn red, orange and blue.

Well now. Isn't this a nice unsubstantiated accusation ? No, I've never been an ALPA rep. Were you not that Eagle pilot who wrote everyone up senior to him in the hope of upgrading faster ? .....or perhaps you were the Eagle pilot I heard about who fantasized about pushing others down the stairs to see what it would sound like ?

Get a life, dude.

Yes, this is te EXACT rationalization that those who seek to steal as much flying (and jobs) from AA as possible. In fact, from ANYONE. Again, we're at least making an effort to try and stop that. If we fail, the house of cards eventually falls for everyone and all pilots will have no job security at all.

Since this is OBVIOUSLY what you're advocating...........um, get a life, dude.

Yes, the product does need serious improvement. But using your own analogy, Eagle's product is among the worst in the industry hands down and way worse then AA's. By virtue of that fact, if AA's product is an overpriced, stale hamburger, Eagle's product is what the poor schmuck puked up after he ate it. :cool:

There's a segment here arguing that AA should hire off the street to avoid having to accept the "undesirables" at Eagle. Congrats...........you just made their argument much stronger. ;)

Well, I've heard guys talking about it amongst themselves and I was in civvies. Believe me, you are absolutley correct, it's mostly a very senior core (like our "buddy" above) who want to stay at Eagle and would push anyone and everyone in front of a bus, if it got them their desires. They are then indoctrinating all the young pups coming up still intoxicated at wearing an airline pilots uniform.

Basically, the blind.........well, actually the greedy, leading the blind.

Well, I think AMR WILL get the ability to place E175's at regional carriers. If they do, I would expect job protections IF it costs AA pilot jobs in the process. Eagles "career" prospects are going to be much worse then previous (of course, so are AA's). The "one list" is being trumpeted by some and argued against by others. Inheriting certain undesirables is the main argument and well, lets face it.............one can see here, there is some validity to it. Many believe the AA pilots group would be far better off with pilots who WANT to work for and see AA prosper and not those who previously tried to screw them when it was in their best interests. I would think ay pilot group would consider their future strength in the same fashion.

I'm still neutral and open to consider both options (if we even get a choice), but I'm starting to lean more towards the latter argument, strictly for future cohesion of the pilot group. We'll see though if that develops any legs.

Your saying sveral regionals feeding AA ?

That I could see.