Hired and training complete by June 21st
 

I just submitted applications to

*GoJet
*SkyWest
*AirWisconsin
*PSA Airlines

And on Monday I will submit to

*Republic
*Expressjet (waiting for internal rec.)

I have to be in Europe from June 21st to the 25th, and my goal is to be complete with training by then. With what airlines would that be realistic?

My times are 1100TT with 120ME (currently instructing)
I have no college degree and I am 30 years young....
My location is Orlando, but moving to PHL in May/June

I don't think right now...its realistic at all. Not to mention as a new hire you ability to dictate that you must be off those days is very likely not to happen. Good luck.

^^^^In for a rude awakening.

My thoughts exactly!!!

Save yourself some serious headaches and wait to apply to the regional indentured servitude until after you move and come back from Europe or else I wouldn't plan on going.....to many what ifs and very little ability to control them.

Even IF you could possibly be done by then, there is a very very slim chance of getting the time off to go to Europe right after training. If it is an important trip I would wait on the regionals because there is no way of knowing if you could make it happen.

Just call in sick and buy your ticket on a non affiliated airline.

A realistic expectation would be a class date after July or later if you got a call TODAY for an interview (at least that would be at skywest). Not sure what classes are like at the other airlines you applied to but at skywest, sounds like classes are filled thru may/June.

Still when you ever get an interview you can say you need certain days off and can't accept a class for your MUST go to trip to Europe. Otherwise for your goal you would NEED to accept a class in march to finish ground school, sim, and ioe, but then you got at least reserve right after that once on the line. So your goal becomes even less realistic. If you MUST take your trip to Europe, go before you have a class.

Why are you moving to PHL and attempting to get a new job not necessarily based in PHL?

Commuting is absolutely horrible. Commuting out of PHL is downright torturous. It is one of the worst airports I can imagine commuting through. Not to mention trying to do this while a reserve probationary regional FO. Life is going to suck for you.

Get hired somewhere and pick a base that seems stable and that you could live at. Move there. Don't commute.

Sounds like a stupid move while a probationary pilot

If you absolutely have to be in Europe in June, I'd wait to accept any class date until after that. The chances of it all working out as you've laid it out are slim to non-existent and would, more than likely, require you to choose between your job and Europe.

I agree with juice. But if you must, do not do any jumpseating after calling in sick. Your airline will be able to see if you were checked in CASS.

Thank you everyone for good advice and confirming what I was expecting.

The case is that me and my wife got married in December in PA. I'm from Norway and we where planing on having a wedding ceremony there as well for the family and friends that could not make it to PA.

The reason we are moving to PHL is that my wife's family lives in Chester County - so we would like to be closer to them. It is not an option to move anywhere else.

I am applying to other airlines then just those with a PHL base since I cant know for sure if I would get hired by AirWis, Republic etc. I would love to be picky, but I honestly just want a job ASAP. Things are not very stable at my flightschool now, my boss has resigned etc. And it gets to a point when you work as a instructor when you've just had enough. I'm not quite there, I still enjoy the flying part - it's just the frustration with some of the 18 year old students that don't give a $h|t - and I am ready to move on to something bigger and hopefully better. I know it is going to be hard work at the regionals and take a toll on us, but I've worked many a 90 hour weeks with 18 hour shifts several days in a row waiting tables without breaks for a long time before.... And I've mentally prepared myself that it is not going to be easy.

I've done lots of thinking today - and our future is more important than a party. We can always have that ceremony. Talked to my parents who are hosting it, and they agree as well. The solution is to move the ceremony to next year....

Get on with RAH and on the Shuttle side. They're really good about trying to help you out. I know many speak bad about the place but they've never been anywhere else.

OP

PM Takk! :)

Whats with these low posters being so out of touch with reality?

First, a Feb 2012 join date comes on here to post about a petition to stop the ATP legislation, then this guy is demanding days off before even having the job. On top of all this, Gojet is the first airline on his list. :rolleyes:

I don't get it.

You made my day buddy :) Can I give you a hug?

I met with GoJet at the regional job fair here at MCO, and really loved the people and what they presented. Now if I don't apply to them, I would deff. not have a chance to get hired. But by submitting an application there at least is a small chance they will give me a ring. It's like all the people talking about winning the lottery, but have not even bought a bliiiping ticket!

I am a YES MAN! and a can do, will happen kinda guy! Half glass full if you like?

I'd hardly compare gojet to winning a lottery. Search this forum and see why most will advise you NOT to go to gojet.

Yeah, holding a line right off of IOE with a three month upgrade really stinks.

If you think a job at GoJet is winning the lottery, stop what you are doing. Do not make any life altering decisions until you get some education. Your SA on the industry seems to be lacking and before you make major career decisions, you need to get your SA to match more closely to reality.

And now that GoJet was mentioned, this thread’s life is limited. Just a reminder, if we say anything negative about GoJet, anything about how it was created, or even posts “in before the lock”, we get banned. Wait, is acknowledging the fact that mentioning GoJet will likely end in the thread being locked the same as saying “in before the lock”? I hope not!:eek:

I would not want to say "In Before the Lock," because as you mentioned, a certain someone will come down with the hamma. Wait...now I just said it too!! What will happen to us??? Oh NO!!!! Save us!!

Good, I am not alone now.

You got me thinking though. That certain someone also said "In before the lock" herself. We should bring that up in our impending trial.

ENBN,

Hopefully this will help you see the time frame you are looking at. I've worked at 3 121 carriers, and this is my experience. (I'm sure others can chime in as well for specific airlines)

-It may take time to get an interview. Airlines can take months to get back to you once you submit an application. The quickest I have ever heard back from a place that I applied to was just over 2 weeks. On the other hand American Eagle called me about a year and a half after I submitted a an application.

-Scheduling an interview may take time. Some airlines only interview certain days of the week. The shortest I had was about a week. The longest (more by my choice) was about a month.

-Not all places let you know if you are hired the day of your interview. Both of my regional jobs got back to me in 2 days. The one legacy carrier told me the day of (pending a background check). I have had friends that have waited up to two weeks.

-Your background check (or medical if required) will take time. Even if you do manage to get in class quickly, the background check has to be done. At my current job (legacy carrier) I waited 3 weeks to be cleared for a medical test. If you are hired, it will take time either way for you to actually be on property.

-Some airlines hire into "pools." You will hear people talking about swimming in the pool. It just means, that they have been offered employment, but they haven't been given a class date yet. Airlines can have classes filled for months out.

-Your ground school or home based training can run about a month.

-You will have training breaks between different phases. My first RJ gig gave me a 2 month break between ground school and simulators. Many regionals don't have their own simulators and often use places such as Flight Safety. They don't always have the capacity, or hours needed. This leads to waits.

-Your IOE / OE (initial operating experience) can take a while also. Not only do they have you schedule you flights, but they also have to match you up with an instructor's schedule.

Once you do finish OE, most place I have been put you on the line ASAP. The bad part about this is that since you are now the bottom man (or near the bottom) you won't get much say in your schedule.

I hope this helps. Good luck.

Did I say that getting a job at GoJet is like winning the lottery?

I just want a job! Be it GoJet, AirWis, Expressjet, PSA etc. Do my time there and while finishing a BA and move on to something bigger and better. The sooner I get in the sooner I hopefully can get out.

Best case for me btw is not GoJet, but Republic EMB out of PHL.

Thank you rahc! Best post of the day! Glad not everyone is just after talking down on everyone.

ENBN, do you fly King Air's on the side to the instruction?

Lol 2 month upgrade lol

The "Good for the goose, good for the gander" defense. I like it!

If you are desperate then you are setting yourself up to absolutely hate where you end up. What is your long term plan? Do you want to move on to a major? Do you want to get your bachelors while your at a regional? A one week vacation is worth the delay in your career?

This isn't a job at starbucks that you can walk away from scott free because you found out that your manager is a dick. This is a career and it will be brought up in every interview you have for the rest of your life. Without a degree you could be stuck there a lot longer then you previously thought. Take your time, do your research, and be honest with yourself what you want out of this career. If you do your research and still decide to go to a place that prey's on desperate people then you won't have any excuses when they eventually throw you under the bus.

^^Agreed^^

No, I only have piston time.

Good point.

Where should I go?

Future goal is to do online BA while working at a regional, then Major or Cargo.

Where do you live? Living in base can improve your QOL ten fold. Outside of commuting you want a company that allows the flexibility to trade or bid for trips that will allow you to do your bachelors on the road. I would personally stay away from smaller companies due to the unstable regional industry turning on a dime and I would go somewhere that doesn't have a stigma attached to it. Whether the stigma is rational or not doesn't matter. The quick upgrade is nice but your not doing anyone any favors by accepting such poor treatment.

I would go to the airline near your home town or where you can stand to live first, then search for info on their contract and find out where they roughly stand in the pecking order, and then I would consider the anticipated movement.

I wouldn't tell them about your vacation in the interview. Worst case scenario call in sick, doctors note, and buy an airline ticket. I wouldn't post photos online of the trip and I wouldn't tell anyone at the company after you get back. You also just posted the exact dates of your trip on a huge website that a lot of airline people see. I would be very careful what details about yourself you give out on here.

We live in MCO, but will move to PHL. So looking at Republic, AirWis and Expressjet (EWR).

As far as the trip, it is canceled. Would not dream of calling in sick for it, especially right after starting. We have to think career before pleasure this year....

This is a job not a career.

EN, check your PM's please...

What makes you think that you will get phl with republic / air Wisconsin ?
What if aw says you are going to cae or orf? What happens if you get sdf on chq instead of republic certificate. ??

Be flexible and decide where to move where your job is. Your wife should move to your base and visit family around phl on your travel benefits.

While I'm not married I still know this is a BAD idea! If the woman aint happy aint NOBODY happy!

True That!!!! Happy wife happy life!!! The good news is RAH is going to be hiring a lot of people for the Republic cert. I just got that info from a friend who just got interviewed. That's the latest and greatest. People are being hired into the cert of their choice RIGHT NOW. I always like people on this forum who have no clue about what's going on at a particular company but feel their advise is what you should listen to. Put an app in and see what happens! You never know until you try! Good luck! BY THE WAY....I hope you did your research on this place! You get what you get!

most advice on here sucks. People are too cocky.

My advice is to apply to people with PHL bases, and if you get based somewhere else get a crash pad and work your way back. Also keep in mind you got NYC a 3 hour drive, and DCA/IAD 3 hours away. A 3 hour drive is not bad if you have a small car, and takes just as long as driving 45 minutes to an airport, and commuting somewhere.