New Reg?
 

Hi,

I have been out of the forum and recent news for couple years. What is this new law/reg that will take effect people are talking about on various threads? Are Regionals forced to increase the minimums? ATP is mandatory? How would this change the 1st year FO pay?

I am still flight instructing and have 3000 hours TT and only 20 in Multi. NO ATP. I Just can not live off $2000 month pay as I have a family. Is it good time to start looking at regionals? or should I stay put before investing in ATP and Multi time which I still lack.

Should I get the ATP now or wait and have airline such as Skywest pay for it...that is if they still do at that time.

Thanks!

You are making more than you would at the regionals

You misread his post completely.

He wants to know will the pay go up, he cant afford the 2000/month pay as a new RJ pilot. He clearly is making much more as a CFI.

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Read the part about "reserve rules". Thats what a new hire will be living under.

If you enjoy seeing your family, its best to avoid this airline at least. Most regional airlines have a pretty tough life style, but now that upgrades take 5-7 years....you'll be at bottom with terrible schedules for quite some time.

But...after 5 to 7 years at $32,000 a year...you may actually make a livable wage.

OH..and yes by Aug 13 2013 you'll need an ATP to fly part 121.

You can read about the bill by googling HR 5900. To sum it up ATPs are required among all FOs by Aug. 2013.

As for airlines paying for the ATP, that's still TBD by each individual company. At ExpressJet, they are still trying to figure out how to approach this issue. Some mention they will not incorporate into AQP (renewal) training while others say they will. If you're looking to be hired by a regional prior to Aug 2013 you may be able to scoot around getting your ATP, however, I'm predicting that most regionals now would rather take the guys with an ATP in hand.

Considering you have 3,000 hours I would highly recommend you get your ATP. By doing so, you open up more doors in the aviation world. Who knows, you could stumble onto something that pays well and is not regional associated. Just my two pennies worth.

Where are you getting your #s? I made 32k when I was a 1st year FO and a line holder with 16 days off and mid- high 80 hr lines... Granted I am not at RAH or GoJet.

uhh..my w2 bro.

do the math.
$30 an hour...950 hours a year = $28,500.
$36 an hour..950 hours a year = $34,200.

Is that a joke?

dont think it was...hes in for a surprise..

Lucky you... we have guys that have been on 11 day off reserve lines for 3+ years and counting now...

You have been at Colgan sine before the contract right? Wasn't your first year pay somewhere in the 19 dollar range? Say you made 22/hr....that's 1,450 hours. I know you didn't have soft pay like that.

You said high 80 hour lines......
90 hour lines = 1,080hrs/year
32,000/1,080= 29.62

You made 29.62 first year at Colgan? Your numbers don't add up.

4.25+ and counting now...but i knew there were guys that sat much longer

Wrong.

25.92x85hrs a month = 2203 a month x 12 months = 26,438.00 + 6000 per diem for the year equals 32,438.00

What were the numbers on your W2? I still haven't had a W2 above 32K, four years in and at the same crappy company as you now.

Wow, counting per diem as income? Talk about skewing the numbers.

Well isn't it income? I pack food and rarely spend anything on the road.

AGI was 28,342. I waive all my insurance as the wife has a pretty good policy for us both.

I bring all my food, its same food I would eat if not working. I love per diem, its TAX FREE extra pay =).

Your AGI was $28K your first year? I worked two weeks short of a full year my first year and mine was just under $19K.

I didn't have many deductions, ie moving expenses, write offs ect... Basically, just union dues and miscellaneous items here and there. Fortunately, I've been a line holder right out of the gate.

Most regionals will end up providing ATPs to the FO's they already have on property, but if yu want to get in on that, better hurry.

Eventually they will require the ATP just to get hired, or at least until they run out of applicants...if you're going to go there do it know while they are paying for ATP's.

Unless you are satisfied with a career as a CFI, you will need to make some kind of jump to get your multi time so you can go either the airline or corporate route.

Well...now your timeline does not add up. The contract has not been out for an entire fiscal year. So how did you make 25.92? You started colgan last year right when the contract rates went into place? Your AGI should have been for the entire year. So you were making "old" Colgan first year rates and still made that? Something is a little off here.

I am surprised as well about making that much in the first year.

I was mistaken, no idea what my AGI was, but my box 1 on my W2 was under 19K for the year of 2008.

What am i missing? Last year (my 4th as an FO) i made $49900 and flew 610 hours. I made 39K my second year and havent been under 40 since then. How bad is the pay/work rules at other places? Why would ppl put up with that? With our soft time our hourly rates are easily $30+ higher than advertised. Depending on where you go man, it doesn't have to be THAT bad.

First year at Colgan was $30,000. I spent $150 a month on average per month on food, so I took a lot of per diem to the bank. That being said, so far my year two pay checks are much less because there are less lines, less open time, and lower credit trips.

If what you say is true, we should be negotiating $1.70 an hour flight pay and $30 per hour perdiem.

Perdiem is NOT PAY! If you want to eat PBandJ three times a day while at work, well, good for you. Just think how much you would make if you didn't eat while on a trip. :rolleyes:

I prefer to eat real meals, and perdiem offsets the added cost of eating on the road. Period. Counting it as pay only plays into management's hand. :mad:

Do you work for a regional? Are you an FO (by Choice)? On reserve? 5 Years and counting for me and I might break 40K if I work my arse off.

Guy, we are talking about pilots here. Not sure what you were actually doing for Colgan but that's not a typical salary for any first year regional pilot.

Thank you sir.

I do eat real meals. I prepare steak and brown rice, chicken with sundried tomatoes and onions, raw almonds, soups and some tuna fish. Usually, I prepare 2-3 good dinner meals prior to a trip along with simple lunches ie turkey and flat bread sandwiches. Sorry, no PB&J's with me.

He's not lying, I made more than that last year and that was with 2 months pre-contract. I spent about 4 months on reserve, than mix between bottom line holder and build-ups. With junior assignments, extensions, and all the crap they did to me my average credit after the contract took affect was 120-140 hours till about Sep-Oct than around 100-110 after that. Per diem was an extra 7,000 roughly so deposited in my bank account was just about 40k (the places we go, you can never go through the entire daily per diem so it did add up as extra money).

I don't know what to tell you except if I was going to lie about how much I made, I wouldn't come up with $30,000 to impress anonymous internet posters. First year pay was $25.92 and there was lots of inefficient scheduling and mistakes made that caused monthly credit to go way up. I live in base so I could easily pick up open time and I held a line from day one.

There ya have it, 3 different people making around the same amount "30k" on 1st year salary. Why would we lie? Is it impressive? I don't think so, but they're the facts. Sorry to disappoint....

If you include the perdium I made 34K on 2011 my first year at Eagle, without perdium I made 26K! What is hard for people to believe about the 30K?

I'd say if you started more than 6-7 years ago....you were **** poor 1st year. I stand corrected. Didn't know you made that amount year 1.

For $30,000/YR how many days per week are you gone on average?

Lived in base for most of the year, and I had on average 11 days off a month!

I average 13-16 days off a month with mid-high 80hr lines.