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Old 03-16-2012 | 08:34 AM
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I have been out of the forum and recent news for couple years. What is this new law/reg that will take effect people are talking about on various threads? Are Regionals forced to increase the minimums? ATP is mandatory? How would this change the 1st year FO pay?

I am still flight instructing and have 3000 hours TT and only 20 in Multi. NO ATP. I Just can not live off $2000 month pay as I have a family. Is it good time to start looking at regionals? or should I stay put before investing in ATP and Multi time which I still lack.

Should I get the ATP now or wait and have airline such as Skywest pay for it...that is if they still do at that time.

Thanks!

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Old 03-16-2012 | 09:01 AM
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You are making more than you would at the regionals
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Old 03-16-2012 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by wmuflyboy
You are making more than you would at the regionals
You misread his post completely.
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Old 03-16-2012 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SongMan
Hi,

I have been out of the forum and recent news for couple years. What is this new law/reg that will take effect people are talking about on various threads? Are Regionals forced to increase the minimums? ATP is mandatory? How would this change the 1st year FO pay?

I am still flight instructing and have 3000 hours TT and only 20 in Multi. NO ATP. I Just can not live off $2000 month pay as I have a family. Is it good time to start looking at regionals? or should I stay put before investing in ATP and Multi time which I still lack.

Should I get the ATP now or wait and have airline such as Skywest pay for it...that is if they still do at that time.

Thanks!
He wants to know will the pay go up, he cant afford the 2000/month pay as a new RJ pilot. He clearly is making much more as a CFI.
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Old 03-16-2012 | 09:13 AM
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check this site out:

RAH Contract NOW! | Teamsters Local 357

Read the part about "reserve rules". Thats what a new hire will be living under.

If you enjoy seeing your family, its best to avoid this airline at least. Most regional airlines have a pretty tough life style, but now that upgrades take 5-7 years....you'll be at bottom with terrible schedules for quite some time.

But...after 5 to 7 years at $32,000 a year...you may actually make a livable wage.

OH..and yes by Aug 13 2013 you'll need an ATP to fly part 121.
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Old 03-16-2012 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SongMan
Hi,

I have been out of the forum and recent news for couple years. What is this new law/reg that will take effect people are talking about on various threads? Are Regionals forced to increase the minimums? ATP is mandatory? How would this change the 1st year FO pay?

I am still flight instructing and have 3000 hours TT and only 20 in Multi. NO ATP. I Just can not live off $2000 month pay as I have a family. Is it good time to start looking at regionals? or should I stay put before investing in ATP and Multi time which I still lack.

Should I get the ATP now or wait and have airline such as Skywest pay for it...that is if they still do at that time.

Thanks!
You can read about the bill by googling HR 5900. To sum it up ATPs are required among all FOs by Aug. 2013.

As for airlines paying for the ATP, that's still TBD by each individual company. At ExpressJet, they are still trying to figure out how to approach this issue. Some mention they will not incorporate into AQP (renewal) training while others say they will. If you're looking to be hired by a regional prior to Aug 2013 you may be able to scoot around getting your ATP, however, I'm predicting that most regionals now would rather take the guys with an ATP in hand.

Considering you have 3,000 hours I would highly recommend you get your ATP. By doing so, you open up more doors in the aviation world. Who knows, you could stumble onto something that pays well and is not regional associated. Just my two pennies worth.
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Old 03-16-2012 | 10:44 AM
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check this site out:

RAH Contract NOW! | Teamsters Local 357

Read the part about "reserve rules". Thats what a new hire will be living under.

If you enjoy seeing your family, its best to avoid this airline at least. Most regional airlines have a pretty tough life style, but now that upgrades take 5-7 years....you'll be at bottom with terrible schedules for quite some time.

But...after 5 to 7 years at $32,000 a year...you may actually make a livable wage.

OH..and yes by Aug 13 2013 you'll need an ATP to fly part 121.
Where are you getting your #s? I made 32k when I was a 1st year FO and a line holder with 16 days off and mid- high 80 hr lines... Granted I am not at RAH or GoJet.
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Old 03-16-2012 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate
Where are you getting your #s? I made 32k when I was a 1st year FO and a line holder with 16 days off and mid- high 80 hr lines...
uhh..my w2 bro.

do the math.
$30 an hour...950 hours a year = $28,500.
$36 an hour..950 hours a year = $34,200.

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Old 03-16-2012 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SongMan
I Just can not live off $2000 month pay as I have a family. Is it good time to start looking at regionals?
Is that a joke?
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Old 03-16-2012 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Is that a joke?
dont think it was...hes in for a surprise..
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