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johnso29 03-26-2012 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1158279)
Usair pulls down the industry fo raa. Well everyone does when you compare it to aa 46 planes over 50 seats and limited to 70 seats.

APA has had the upper hand with no BK......until now.

lakehouse 03-26-2012 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1158281)
APA has had the upper hand with no BK......until now.

They should bargain to keep all the new rj flying at eagle w a merged list. Thats the best outcome. Otherwise AA is going to shrink, and AE for that matter. Its in everyone's best interest to merge the list and require all flying be in AMR house.

contrails 03-26-2012 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1158268)
You're incorrect, unless you define 36 as a big group. The Compass birds were grandfathered in at 89,000lb lbs.

This is in fact what I was talking about.

I do consider that a big group; how many DC-9s have been at mainline for the past year? As you know, a little less than this number, and the nine has it's own sims, own training program, it's own bidding category, and so on. 36 jets is also more than the 747-400 and 777 fleets combined. Sure, they're much larger, but anyway this is why I do consider the 36 group a fairly sizeable group of aircraft.

I know it's only a few thousand pounds and generally the E175s do not see anything about ~85K on 95% of it's routes anyway, but that is my line of thinking.

The Chow 03-27-2012 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1158247)
I'm all for 0 allowed. If it says Delta in any form on the side, it's flown by a Delta pilot.



What if it says Frontier? I'm not trying to stir the pot but have seen a couple of these planes at Delta gates from time to time.

Wingtips 03-27-2012 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by The Chow (Post 1158526)
What if it says Frontier? I'm not trying to stir the pot but have seen a couple of these planes at Delta gates from time to time.

I have seen Alaska planes and JB planes at AA gates too.

What 03-27-2012 06:35 PM

A few post back we were discussing what equipment was allowed and how much was allowed to be flown, I came across this today and though I would share it. Some of the guys who have better knowledge on please chime in!

Departures by Equipment Type, July 2011

Airline Under 50 seats 51-88 seats 89-129 seats 130 seats or more
Delta--------------38%```````````20%```````````7%```````````35%
American---------35%```````````12%```````````0%```````````53%
United------------48%```````````15%```````````9%```````````28%
US Airways------39%```````````21%```````````15%``````````25%

When looking at this numbers if one take into account Airline size with AA being the 3rd larges this would mean that even if AA was going to get to US Airway 21% airframes between 51-88 seats they could only get give or take 140 airframes in the 51-88 seat category per current departures! My math might be fuzzy so please someone chime in.


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MR JT8D 03-31-2012 05:10 PM

Like I said before, " The 50 seat RJ is dead."

gettinbumped 03-31-2012 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1158155)
If UAL & DAL have 70/76 seat scope relief, why would AA get 90 seat scope relief? Seems they could be competitive with 76 seaters. I don't think they'll get more then that.

UAL does not have 76 seat scope relief. And as you know, there is no chance of greater than 70 seat scope relief coming.

What 03-31-2012 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by MR JT8D (Post 1161288)
Like I said before, " The 50 seat RJ is dead."

Nobody is making a 50 seater, you are correct! 50 seaters are being parked, you are also correct but it's far from being dead. How can the airlines afford to park almost 1,000 airplanes over night. These airplanes are still making money, they are not making as much as they used to at some point but apparently there isn't a better option considering SCOPE as well as other things!

Airways 133
Delta 242
American 216
United 342

MR JT8D 04-03-2012 07:46 AM

It's the beginning of the end. Rumors has it that the CAL/UAL guys want the larger Embraer flying on their end with the next contract.


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