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Luv2Rotate 03-25-2012 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Pontius Pilot (Post 1157785)
Quitting isn't the answer. Standing up and saying "Hell NO" is the only way we're going to get the message across.

Its time for civil disobedience, standing up to management and making our voices heard.
Its only effective if we do it together.

We control this industry, and I think that is something we've forgotten over the past 80 years when the first pilots union was formed. Somewhere along the line we've lost our collective spines. We've allowed ourselves to be backed into the corner and we cower in fear at management and the government. We do what we're told. That needs to change.

If we all stand together there is nothing they can do to us but submit to our will.
Their only other choice is to go out of business.

That's how you bring about change. Not by quitting and walking away. Quitting is the move of a coward.

Air Canada had a massive sickout which resulted in countless flight cancellations. Thats what it took to wake up management.

CzechAirman 03-25-2012 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate (Post 1157788)
Air Canada had a massive sickout which resulted in countless flight cancellations. Thats what it took to wake up management.

Do that at a regional here, you will be fired and your union leaders sued and possibly jailed. The end result is that none of you will be going to a major with a record of civil disobedience.

PerpetualFlyer 03-25-2012 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1157800)
Do that at a regional here, you will be fired and your union leaders sued and possibly jailed. The end result is that none of you will be going to a major with a record of civil disobedience.

Sigh, it was so peaceful while you weren't posting here...

johnso29 03-25-2012 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1157800)
Do that at a regional here, you will be fired and your union leaders sued and possibly jailed. The end result is that none of you will be going to a major with a record of civil disobedience.

That's not true. It can't necessarily be proven as an illegal job action. Unless of course everybody blabs about it online.

galaxy flyer 03-25-2012 03:28 PM

APA tried that in '99, it didn't work out too well. $45 million fine.

GF

Wingtips 03-25-2012 05:18 PM

United did a great job in 2000, that should be AA and AE next play.

Also to get our union leaders out since they wont hold meetings, all we have to do is sick out. Sounds good to me! Take this TG!!!!

They want to take pay/work rules that is fine. Cost them 10 times over, and run this place apart. I would rather take my chances with USAIR. We can cost them 10 times what they want by writing up EVERYTHING, using up our sick time, and doing what UAL did in 2000.

CzechAirman 03-25-2012 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1157926)
United did a great job in 2000, that should be AA and AE next play.

Also to get our union leaders out since they wont hold meetings, all we have to do is sick out. Sounds good to me! Take this TG!!!!

They want to take pay/work rules that is fine. Cost them 10 times over, and run this place apart. I would rather take my chances with USAIR. We can cost them 10 times what they want by writing up EVERYTHING, using up our sick time, and doing what UAL did in 2000.


Per the FARs, you must write up EVERYTHING anyway. Sounds like you are admitting to violating FARs by carrying discrepancies instead of writing them up when first noticed, regardless of location or how it may inconvenience you.

Wingtips 03-25-2012 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by CzechAirman (Post 1157955)
Per the FARs, you must write up EVERYTHING anyway. Sounds like you are admitting to violating FARs by carrying discrepancies instead of writing them up when first noticed, regardless of location or how it may inconvenience you.

As an FO I can not write up anything. Go troll somewhere else!

Wingtips 03-25-2012 06:39 PM

hahahahah you must be a gem

Pontius Pilot 03-25-2012 07:10 PM

Technically you can't write up anything without the Captain's permission. That's the glory of him/her being PIC. Now if they don't write something up then that's another story. But I'm sure you understand not everything is black in white. If you get an intermittent status message that posts for 10 seconds and then disappears are you going to write that up? Some maintenance items come down to discretion.


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