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citation35hf 03-30-2012 04:10 PM

RAH $5000 Signing Bonus
 
Well you heard it here first, $5000 signing bonus to any FO joining RAH after April 2nd, and $500 to any employee that refers a qualified First Officer...

Discuss.

naley70b 03-30-2012 04:13 PM

PDT did the same thing in 2007 and the union quickly put an end to it citing the fact that it bumped year 1 pay past year 2 pay.

HSLD 03-30-2012 04:14 PM

Hopefully the union has already filed for injunction to prevent the company from changing status quo.

citation35hf 03-30-2012 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by HSLD (Post 1160665)
Hopefully the union has already filed for injunction to prevent the company from changing status quo.

Removed..........

MusicPilot 03-30-2012 04:19 PM

What are the Sources?

BoilerUP 03-30-2012 04:20 PM

RAH (and AWAC and a bunch of other regionals) did this back in 2006/2007, right?

What 03-30-2012 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by citation35hf (Post 1160657)
Well you heard it here first, $5000 signing bonus to any FO joining RAH after April 2nd, and $500 to any employee that refers a qualified First Officer...

Discuss.

Please tell me this is a joke, where is your official source! I feel like crying, you guys are either hurting really bad for new hires to keep the flying you have or you are gathering to get more flying....

Ok, I am done crying and cooler heads prevail.

If they would have increased their FO pay by $5 it would have cost the company $4,500 on first year per new hire and then include the rest of the pilots who are on property gaining a raise. By offering $5,000 sign inn bonus it saves the company a ton of money and it sounds like new hires are getting allot of money but in reality shortly after the 12th month they will start loosing money. Oh BB, you are a genius! Ok, maybe not! Does he think new hires are this stupid (Ok maybe), by going to EXJ they would be making this money up in around 10 months.

*you will also be taxed around 10% more for the $5,000 than you will for the first year pay increase at another airline so that's $500 lost as well!

Emb170man 03-30-2012 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1160674)
RAH (and AWAC and a bunch of other regionals) did this back in 2006/2007, right?


It was much smaller


(that's what she said)

B200 Hawk 03-30-2012 04:24 PM

Thats like 20 new PS3s, where do I sign up?

embraerjetpilot 03-30-2012 04:33 PM

I've been told that they have a history of not honoring those bonuses once someones on property

Systemized 03-30-2012 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by B200 Hawk (Post 1160680)
Thats like 20 new PS3s, where do I sign up?

Or you could buy your girlfriend a nice pair of tits, so she doesn't dump you when she sees your first paycheck.
;)

What 03-30-2012 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by Systemized (Post 1160693)
Or you could buy your girlfriend a nice pair of tits, so she doesn't dump you when she sees your first paycheck.
;)

Not smart, you'll buy her boobs then she sees your check and leaves you for someone who can afford the new Victoria Secret lingerie for the upgraded boobs!

PBSG 03-30-2012 05:12 PM

$5,000? That's it? I'm a guy who values every nickel I make, but it seems to me that's drastically low, even if it were in good faith. And who is gonna just jump to go to RAH for the $5K?

AxialFlow 03-30-2012 05:19 PM

Surely it's not one lump sum payment. Does it come in $500 yearly installments?

MusicPilot 03-30-2012 05:26 PM

Can't wait to see the union's response about this.

AirbornPegasus 03-30-2012 05:31 PM

Think seriously about this newbies. You will likely be going into a situation where you will be:

1. Furloughed in September (RAH has furloughed three of the last four years)
2. Faced with the decision to:
a) cross a picket line and be branded a scab for life
b) be fired from the company during your probationary period for not crossing the line.

Do not go to RAH right now! Apply to Expressjet, Skywest, Air Whiskey, anywhere but there. When they get a new contract the world may change, but right now I would honestly advise anyone to fly banners for another six months rather than go to RAH. The pilot group is fighting the fight and anyone that goes there right now is assisting management. The situation is rancid and getting worse by the day. Talk to ANYONE that works there before being "purchased" for $5,000.

stbloc 03-30-2012 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1160675)

*you will also be taxed around 10% more for the $5,000 than you will for the first year pay increase at another airline so that's $500 lost as well!

You obviously have no clue how the tax code works. You pay taxes on you total taxable income so you will get any overpayment back when you file.

B200 Hawk 03-30-2012 06:01 PM

But but that is 5,000 lotto tickets.

Wingtips 03-30-2012 06:07 PM

pilots should stand together to refuse to be a new hire at RAH till a contract is met. The clear lack of new hires for RAH right now is such huge leverage. Everyone should post on every forum that no one is go to RAH till they get a contract. This is such a great opportunity to unite.

What 03-30-2012 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 1160719)
You obviously have no clue how the tax code works. You pay taxes on you total taxable income so you will get any overpayment back when you file.

I do understand how it operates, I was referring at how much tax you will have to pay initially when you receive the $5,000 bonus, the 25-28% of the pie the government will want right away. With the low wages that first year FOs make they should see a portion of that tax returned, but that initial 5K dollar bonus just became $3,750 when they receive it, they have to wait until they file their taxes for the possibility of recouping part of that tax. I was trying to refer how the money initially sounds good but in less than a year it could be made up at one of the other regionals that are hiring. This is only speaking just guarantee pay. If we speak of "soft pay" these new hires could easily overcome the 5K bonus in 6-8 moths at other regionals. Even with the 5K dollar bonus RAH first year pay will be less than most of the regionals hiring.

block30 03-30-2012 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1160723)
pilots should stand together to refuse to be a new hire at RAH till a contract is met. The clear lack of new hires for RAH right now is such huge leverage. Everyone should post on every forum that no one is go to RAH till they get a contract. This is such a great opportunity to unite.

A-greed! To be sure, is it really true they are offering $5000 for a new hire? Hopefully this is a harbinger of things to come if the pilot supply and demand ratio works out for us finally!

Don't go to RAH til the contract is worked out! Support the pilot group you hope to join! (and shoot, I am not at RAH, but I am pulling for ya)

lear 31 pilot 03-30-2012 07:32 PM

Stand strong guys, I turned them down for an interview last year, very glad I did know even though it didn't take much thought at 23 bucks an hour times guarantee. Good luck to you all, I hope you can make these management types understand that 20000 a year is not enough let alone 40000 a year. I say minimum 50000 a year for an FO and 100000 for Captains, period, that is what you are all worth at least and maybe then they may be able to entice more qualified competent pilots.

sticky 03-30-2012 07:43 PM

Whats a $5000 bonus after tax?...about $2500, right?
When is it paid?...after you complete the sim and IOE, right?
What happens if the union is able to overturn the bonus before your paid? Bye bye bonus

Reality check guys...afterall, you could loose the value of the $2500 in the first year because we have no cancelation pay. Just go to a company that is honest about their pay upfront and doesnt try to play tricks to fool you.

stbloc 03-30-2012 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1160728)
I do understand how it operates, I was referring at how much tax you will have to pay initially when you receive the $5,000 bonus, the 25-28% of the pie the government will want right away. With the low wages that first year FOs make they should see a portion of that tax returned, but that initial 5K dollar bonus just became $3,750 when they receive it, they have to wait until they file their taxes for the possibility of recouping part of that tax. I was trying to refer how the money initially sounds good but in less than a year it could be made up at one of the other regionals that are hiring. This is only speaking just guarantee pay. If we speak of "soft pay" these new hires could easily overcome the 5K bonus in 6-8 moths at other regionals. Even with the 5K dollar bonus RAH first year pay will be less than most of the regionals hiring.

Now we are talking on the same level.

troyb 03-30-2012 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1160723)
pilots should stand together to refuse to be a new hire at RAH till a contract is met. The clear lack of new hires for RAH right now is such huge leverage. Everyone should post on every forum that no one is go to RAH till they get a contract. This is such a great opportunity to unite.

Fair enough. Can somebody help me out getting a job somewhere else then?

What 03-30-2012 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by stbloc (Post 1160766)
Now we are talking on the same level.

~~~~~~~~:D~~~~~~~~~

Wingtips 03-30-2012 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by troyb (Post 1160772)
Fair enough. Can somebody help me out getting a job somewhere else then?

We are not hiring at Eagle, so I personally can not. BUT DO NOT USE THIS MENTALITY TO SAY ITS OK TO GOTO REPUBLIC. This is getting close to being the same as a strike. When Eastern went on strike, did someone with a class date have the right to justify their actions by saying well no one else hired me!

DO NOT GOTO REPUBLIC UNTIL THEY GIVE THEIR PILOTS A CONTRACT. SPREAD THE WORD. SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT.

You will get bent over 100 times and shafted if you do not stick to the guns. We are becoming the desired resource right now on the open market, its time we let supply and demand work and up our price. Do not back down!! Guys on property are stuck on the hand of seniority, but those looking have a choice!! STAND STRONG.

Omnivorous 03-30-2012 08:57 PM

Refer me. 800/100. App has been in for about four days. PM me.

StrikeTime 03-30-2012 09:00 PM

Wait, let me get this straight. Republic will give me FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS just for getting hired on and they will let me fly a brand new E175/E190 at $22 to $30 an hour?

brb, getting in line to apply for this job with every other debt-stricken SJS ERAU numb nuts. That will take $5,000 right off my $200,000 student loan!

Not serious, but be prepared for swarms of applicants with this type of mentality. Hope the union puts a stop to this.

And by the way, what the union at Republic has done up to this point has made me proud. Thanks for sticking up and getting the info out.

StrikeTime 03-30-2012 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by Omnivorous (Post 1160799)
Refer me. 800/100. App has been in for about four days. PM me.

Here we go.....

See post above.

globalexpress 03-30-2012 09:36 PM

If that signing bonus is even true, how is that not a violation of the status quo any less than increasing hourly rates? I am no attorney, but it will be interesting to see how your union responds.

At least you guys know now that you have a nice, long lever to get contract negotiations finished with. The company is obviously VERY concerned about pilot recruitment if they're trying to come up with creative ways to get around actually negotiating a contract between trying to unilaterally increase the hourly wage, pay a signing bonus, and shut down your website. I hope you guys are able to take that lever and place it somewhere useful :)

What 03-30-2012 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by StrikeTime (Post 1160801)
Wait, let me get this straight. Republic will give me FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS just for getting hired on and they will let me fly a brand new E175/E190 at $22 to $30 an hour?

brb, getting in line to apply for this job with every other debt-stricken SJS ERAU numb nuts. That will take $5,000 right off my $200,000 student loan!

Not serious, but be prepared for swarms of applicants with this type of mentality. Hope the union puts a stop to this.

And by the way, what the union at Republic has done up to this point has made me proud. Thanks for sticking up and getting the info out.

Help spread the word that even with a 5K dollar bonus you will make less at Republic than you will at some of the other airlines hiring during your first 8 months or so! The 5K doesn't make up for the contract and low pay on the first year. If you go elsewhere by year 2 most places are close to the top RAH pay on the FO side. But one would have to guess that unless Eagle dumps a bunch of pilots there aren't many guys sitting around with 1K hrs just waiting at the bits to go fly for a regional since they are struggling to fill classes.

block30 03-31-2012 02:44 AM


Originally Posted by Omnivorous (Post 1160799)
Refer me. 800/100. App has been in for about four days. PM me.

If you mean you just applied at RAH I hope you are joking or being a wise arse. You have been on the forums enough to know what is going on. I wonder how the RAH guys feel that their ability to get a contract, though showing signs of working, is perhaps being impeded by those who can't wait?

LeftWing 03-31-2012 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by AirbornPegasus (Post 1160712)
The pilot group is fighting the fight and anyone that goes there right now is assisting management. The situation is rancid and getting worse by the day. The situation is rancid and getting worse by the day. Talk to ANYONE that works there before being "purchased" for $5,000.


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1160735)
Don't go to RAH til the contract is worked out! Support the pilot group you hope to join! (and shoot, I am not at RAH, but I am pulling for ya)


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1160723)
pilots should stand together to refuse to be a new hire at RAH till a contract is met. The clear lack of new hires for RAH right now is such huge leverage. Everyone should post on every forum that no one is go to RAH till they get a contract. This is such a great opportunity to unite.


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1160795)
DO NOT GOTO REPUBLIC UNTIL THEY GIVE THEIR PILOTS A CONTRACT. SPREAD THE WORD. SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT.


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1160840)
If you mean you just applied at RAH I hope you are joking or being a wise arse. You have been on the forums enough to know what is going on. I wonder how the RAH guys feel that their ability to get a contract, though showing signs of working, is perhaps being impeded by those who can't wait?

I understand where you all are coming from, but being a new-hire does not step on anyone's toes....at least according to the union. If it is, then the union needs to change the statement below.

Now if the they're released to strike and the new-hires (or anyone) crosses the picket line, the eff 'em. They're scabs. Until then, new-hires are not to be looked down upon.

Whoever said that this is like a strike is wrong. It is or it isn't. Let's not water down the definitions.

This is an excerpt from RAH Contract NOW! | Teamsters Local 357



If you choose to come work as a pilot here, you will be welcomed by the existing pilot group, but the Union will have a much harder time if you do not have a good grasp of the way things really are.


RJ Pilot 03-31-2012 04:20 AM

Ramping up for AMR flying.

Omnivorous 03-31-2012 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by block30 (Post 1160840)
If you mean you just applied at RAH I hope you are joking or being a wise arse. You have been on the forums enough to know what is going on. I wonder how the RAH guys feel that their ability to get a contract, though showing signs of working, is perhaps being impeded by those who can't wait?

True, I have been. I read a lot more than I post. A lot of places have my app right now and it would do me well, at the very least, to field any interview that comes my way so that when XJT finally (hopefully) gives me the green light I'll have sat through a few batteries before. I realize this practice might be frowned upon but it's every man for himself until I can be "welcomed by the pilot group" somewhere.

Gotta run, my student's starting the Cherokee incorrectly again...

olympic 03-31-2012 05:46 AM

Karma is a ***** .

MrBigAir 03-31-2012 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by Omnivorous (Post 1160878)
Gotta run, my student's starting the Cherokee incorrectly again...

You probably should have taught him/her how to start it correctly the first time... wth?


Originally Posted by olympic (Post 1160880)
Karma is a ***** .

THIS

XJT Pilot 03-31-2012 06:41 AM

Guys u need to post the name of the new hires that show up and we will add them to our nofly list for the jump seat and if you can video there faces and put them on YouTube that worked wonders for Spirit. Those to guys that flew that MD80 leg were scared to fly the leg back it went viral in two hours.

MachJ 03-31-2012 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by XJT Pilot (Post 1160902)
Guys u need to post the name of the new hires that show up and we will add them to our nofly list for the jump seat and if you can video there faces and put them on YouTube that worked wonders for Spirit. Those to guys that flew that MD80 leg were scared to fly the leg back it went viral in two hours.

Except RAH isn't on strike, thus the new hires aren't scabs...I hope your post was sarcastic


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