Ya, because Pinnacle is the cream of the crop.

Get over yourself.

Damn right, esp when his part of the company is what is being SHUTDOWN and bankrupted the place.

I don't think things are going to be as good as you think. They already said staffing will be re-evaluated - meaning that very few if anyone will be getting 16-18 days off. More than likely you'll be sitting reserve on days you would currently have off, I wouldn't be surprised to see 11 days off the norm for 90% of the company. Vacation will most certainly taken away, soft pay provisions will be taken away and your pay will most definitely be cut. If you are a CA now I'd expect your pay to drop by at least 50%. How is this scenario a skyrocket in QOL? All that loss income is huge when you turn 60 and realize you have 10 more years of work - due mainly to the 5 extra years you sat right seat at 9E. Even if you have to work an extra year in your 60's to make up for the loss of income I'm not seeing how this is a skyrocket in QOL. I'd say it is quite the opposite.

Ohhhh Saabs, I'm guessing this is your 1st CH11 and furlough scenario... Take it from me (been through 2 now) your QOL and pay is about to go down the drain... Also, 2000 turbine PIC is pretty much the norm, heck I have that. :D

Saabs, you're still assuming the company will furlough jet FO's and spend $25k while in Ch11 to make you CRJ qualified. Colgan guys are dreaming if you think this will happen, Menke's comment about respecting seniority is only posturing... if he told all the 9L people they were losing their jobs in 6 months, there would be a mass exodus.

who has ever furloughed out of seniority??

Go look at the 1113 for Eagle pilots, they will come to you guys with the same thing.

This is what you HAVE TO BE READY TO HAVE OFFERED TO YOU!!!

This is what they are going to offer you for example-
1. 70 hour a month guarantee
2. No line guarantee or pay protection
3.Reserve days mixed into any hard line under 70 hours at a value of 4 hours per day to make the line over 70 hours.
4. Canceled training/trip/IOE displacement etc all will mean your on RSV.
5. 25% loss of per diem and no increase for 5 years.
6. Captains will take a $5/hour loss and cap at 15 years.
7.Loss of 1/2 your paid vacation.
8.PBS (if you dont have it yet)
9. No using vacation days to get off work outside your vacation.
10. Decrease in 401k matching.

Get ready because it is coming.

This is from another thread, but from my experience it looks to be right on...

Ya I wrote it.

are you being facetious?...i cant tell.

Im serious, has it ever been done??

yes...none other than the wonder RAH.

Seems to be the norm when CH 11 is filed.

Don't forget about their upgrade too!!! Someone hired at the company while I was furloughed gets to upgrade and then gets to take my seat on the jet while I get sent to the street for a second time? Yea screw that, I hope they furlough by DOH, it's only fair. I was offered an interview for Colgan in 2008 and I didn't take it and then I got an email from them after I was furloughed and still didn't take it. I didn't go to Colgan for a reason, I have career expectations too!

You were furloughed at Mesaba, right? Where would you be right now if Pinnacle had not have purchased Mesaba....yeah, still furloughed. All those Saabs would have been gone with no new flying for Mesaba. You would still be furloughed with more furloughs above you.

But the purchase did happen so....

...You were recalled to fill shortages on the PCL side and to fill LGA Saab flying that was obtained through Colgan. If not for that, you would have never been recalled and most likely been integrated as an "inactive pilot" on the ISL (That means you go to the bottom). You were too cool for the MOU but many of your fellow pilots on furlough took the MOU and were given jobs to feed their kids and pay the bills.

Get off that high horse man, it isn't a good look for you.

Anyone have an estimate of how many pilots are going to be furloughed? Good luck to all affected.

Rumor from HQ is up to 1200. Just a rumor with nothing to back it up..

yes, this!

Why would we furlough 1200 when we are only losing about 700-800 pilot's worth of airplanes?

Well when the airplanes you don't lose are flying less and your contract (work/scheduling rules) is gutted.. you don't need as many pilots.

I took the MOU FYI, and maybe had the purchase not happened something else might have happened or maybe not. I came back and started flying 200s, cool. It still doesn't mean that I'm not ****ed about someone who was hired 2 months before I took the MOU got to upgrade to CA and will get to force me out into the street. Excuse me for being bitter about being on my 5th flying job in 6 years. I hope you enjoy your life.

I'm not blaming the pre-merger pinnacle pilots on this, I'm blaming the messed up seniority (if it can be called that) integration that happened afterwards. Colgan pilots got a windfall, I hope they enjoy it.

Holy over estimation batman!!!

1,200?!?! How does the math on that work even in the worst case??

74 aircraft with a staffing model of 5.5 crews per aircraft = 814 pilots.

And I seriously doubt we're staffed that well. Just my $.02

Let's not forget that Colgan didn't buy the Q's, Pinnacle did. They negotiated the contract for themselves. It's unfortunate for everyone involved.

The current spreadsheet has 591 Colgan pilots and 235 9E 900 pilots. They did say they will be evaluating staffing levels - it sounded like to me they want to run an understaffed model again. It wouldn't surprise me if they furloughed 900. I also imagine between now and December another 200 pilots will leave. That would leave about 1800 pilots. I'm not sure how training/transitioning would work, also how do the new rest rules effect this? Does anyone foresee any extension of the Q and 900 flying (meaning they fly until the end of the year)?

I would take that 700-800 pilots worth of airplanes being lost then hit "+" and insert how many pilots worth of 200's you think we are about to lose. Yeah 1200 sounds about right ://

814 assumes all CRJ-200 stay. In BK, anything goes with Delta and how many 50 seaters they want to park with gas constantly above $105/barrel.