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Liv2soar 04-04-2012 07:27 PM

Two Senator's kick Sean Menke in the teeth!!
 
It's pretty pathetic when not one, but TWO, Senators SCOLDS the CEO of a regional airline for taking a 60% payraise amidst filing for bankruptcy. What a "kick in the teeth" for Sean Menke. ALPA needs to setup a picket line in front of One Commerce Square with signs that read "Sean Menke is an GUTLESS PIECE OF $H1T" and invite Senator Charles Schumer and Senator Kirsten Gillibrand to attend the event.

Bankrupt Pinnacle should rethink big raises for execs, lawmakers say - Flight 3407 - The Buffalo News


Bankrupt Pinnacle should rethink big raises for execs, lawmakers say
Updated: April 4, 2012, 10:54 PM

WASHINGTON -- The Buffalo area's three House members and New York's two senators Wednesday urged Pinnacle Airlines executives to rethink the big raises they recently received in light of revelations that the bankrupt airline is struggling to pay its pilots.

"It is reprehensible and unconscionable that your company would shortchange its pilots, who are critical to the safety of the flying public, while approving hundreds of thousands of dollars in extra payment for its corporate officers," the lawmakers said in a letter to John G. Spanjers, senior vice president and chief operating officer at Pinnacle.

"On behalf of our constituents, we ask that Pinnacle executives, including yourself, reconsider the propriety of accepting generous raises while pilots in your employ are waiting to be paid," the lawmakers added.

The Buffalo News reported Wednesday that Pinnacle -- which owns Colgan Air, operator of Continental Connection Flight 3407, which crashed in Clarence Center in 2009 -- was struggling to pay its pilots. Low pilot pay was one of the issues that was raised in the investigation of the crash, which claimed 50 lives.

Despite the pay problems -- which the company blamed largely on a new software system -- Pinnacle last month boosted the annual salary of CEO Sean E. Menke from $425,000 to $675,000. Spanjers, meanwhile, got a raise from $275,000 to $400,000.

Pinnacle said those raises came in conjunction with new duties stemming from the departure of other executives and the company's efforts to reorganize. Those efforts culminated in a bankruptcy filing Sunday, less than two weeks after the raises were announced.

Local lawmakers didn't think very much of the raises at Pinnacle.
"The tragedy of Flight 3407, right in the heart of my district, highlights the dangers of underpaid and overworked pilots, and it's unconscionable for their corporate officers to receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in pay increases right before declaring bankruptcy," said Rep. Kathleen C. Hochul, D-Amherst.
Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y, agreed. He made reference to the fact that in addition to the raises for Pinnacle's top executives, departing CEO Philip H. Trenary left the company with a $1.7 million consulting deal.
"These latest facts are appalling, and Pinnacle needs to reset their priorities immediately," Schumer said. "Instead of providing golden parachutes for retiring CEOs, Pinnacle should make sure its pilots are paid a decent wage on time and that they put passenger safety above personal perks."

Sen. Kirsten E. Gillibrand, D-N.Y., also signed the letter to Pinnacle, as did Reps. Brian Higgins, D-Buffalo, and Louise M. Slaughter, D-Fairport.
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Sure is nice to know that some of our elected leaders in our goverment are actually standing up to corporate goons like Sean Menke. What a loser he is.

Jamers 04-04-2012 07:38 PM

I hope this gets into the national spotlight.

captain152 04-04-2012 07:40 PM

Hate to say it, but it won't change anything. Wish it would!

Liv2soar 04-04-2012 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by captain152 (Post 1164207)
Hate to say it, but it won't change anything. Wish it would!


Actually it just might. If there's enough bad publicity of the CEO, then the shareholders can put enough pressure on the Board of Directors to oust him.

IMHO, he is already on his way out. He has done nothing constructive to benefit the financial well being of Pinnacle. He was unsuccessful with the labor group concessions, unsuccessful with renogotiations of business partner contracts and has taken the stock from $6.00 to 60 cents in a short period of a few months.

An airline with dark clouds on the horizons needs innovation, creativity and leadership that everyone can fall in line behind. Sean Menke has NONE of that. What he has done, is anger employees to the point of no return as to which you can expect to see a reduction in labor costs through bankruptcy, but an increase in operating expenses as the employee's are now unified in their new mantra of "I don't give a crap" attitude towards running an efficient and streamlined operation. This will result in an exit from bankruptcy with a Cost per Available Seat Mile actually INCREASING! Just wait and see. It's happening now as APU useage has skyrocketed overnight, two engine taxis are the norm, and maintenance writeups at outstations are now becoming the norm. He has single handedly butchered an airline by making ALL the wrong moves.

The Supreme Captain of Pinnacle, Sean Menke, has just hit an iceberg and is the first one to bail into a lifeboat. He is drunk, and needs to be restrained to prevent causing even more damage.

FAULTPUSH 04-04-2012 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by Liv2soar (Post 1164214)
... but an increase in operating expenses as the employee's are now unified in their new mantra of "I don't give a crap" attitude towards running an efficient and streamlined operation. This will result in an exit from bankruptcy with a Cost per Available Seat Mile actually INCREASING! Just wait and see. It's happening now as APU useage has skyrocketed overnight, two engine taxis are the norm, and maintenance writeups at outstations are now becoming the norm. .

That'll help you avoid court-forced pay cuts.

Tampa 2 04-04-2012 08:19 PM

Hopefully CNN, FOX & other national media will pick up the story and expose these clowns for what they are......

Beaver Hunter 04-04-2012 08:26 PM

Faultpush

You just don't get it. Employee pay is not the problem. Mangers crap on you and I cause they can. Enough

sinsilvia666 04-04-2012 08:34 PM

i agree this in the spotlight would be great

ghost401 04-04-2012 08:34 PM

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Noseeums 04-04-2012 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by Liv2soar (Post 1164214)
Actually it just might. If there's enough bad publicity of the CEO, then the shareholders can put enough pressure on the Board of Directors to oust him.

IMHO, he is already on his way out. He has done nothing constructive to benefit the financial well being of Pinnacle. He was unsuccessful with the labor group concessions, unsuccessful with renogotiations of business partner contracts and has taken the stock from $6.00 to 60 cents in a short period of a few months.

An airline with dark clouds on the horizons needs innovation, creativity and leadership that everyone can fall in line behind. Sean Menke has NONE of that. What he has done, is anger employees to the point of no return as to which you can expect to see a reduction in labor costs through bankruptcy, but an increase in operating expenses as the employee's are now unified in their new mantra of "I don't give a crap" attitude towards running an efficient and streamlined operation. This will result in an exit from bankruptcy with a Cost per Available Seat Mile actually INCREASING! Just wait and see. It's happening now as APU useage has skyrocketed overnight, two engine taxis are the norm, and maintenance writeups at outstations are now becoming the norm. He has single handedly butchered an airline by making ALL the wrong moves.

The Supreme Captain of Pinnacle, Sean Menke, has just hit an iceberg and is the first one to bail into a lifeboat. He is drunk, and needs to be restrained to prevent causing even more damage.

Ah, the ramblings and empty convictions of an uninformed airline pilot.

BlueMoon 04-05-2012 01:49 AM


Originally Posted by Tampa 2 (Post 1164225)
Hopefully CNN, FOX & other national media will pick up the story and expose these clowns for what they are......

I highly doubt FOX is going to take up your cause, look at the party affiliation of the Senators and Congressmen that wrote that letter.

Laxrox43 04-05-2012 02:07 AM

I'd be happy to walk the picket line with my brothers and sisters! Sign me up!!!

MunkyButtr 04-05-2012 04:59 AM

You know what this means.....CRAZY FLIGHT CASE STICKERS!

HotMamaPilot 04-05-2012 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 1164280)
I highly doubt FOX is going to take up your cause, look at the party affiliation of the Senators and Congressmen that wrote that letter.

What are you talking about? You are rambling.

bhmdiversion 04-05-2012 06:15 AM

[QUOTE=Liv2soar;1164214]Actually it just might. If there's enough bad publicity of the CEO, then the shareholders can put enough pressure on the Board of Directors to oust him.

The BoD don't care a thing about the Shareholders (of what is left of them now). They just wanted to make sure that there is a Captain onboard the sinking vessel, and will run away as fast as he got there.

My thoughts - His remaining time at Pinnacle has already been decided by Delta.

eaglefly 04-05-2012 06:18 AM

Rupert's boys (and gals) are all about executive strength and compensation. The politicians who made themselves known with these statements are simply "banking" future votes. This Menke clown isn't going to be giving back one dime anyway. As long as he's got suckers willing to fly for peanuts and accept just about any injustice, why should he ?

Business as usual for the fatcats, the pols they control and the sympathetic media sycophants that trumpet their cause. The title of this thread really should be, "Menke successfully kicks his pilots in the nuts..........again".

mikeypat15 04-05-2012 06:24 AM

An interesting list I compiled of who Sean Menke makes a higher salary then.

Gerard J. Arpey (Former AMR CEO) - $669,646
Richard H. Anderson (Delta CEO) - $600,000
Dave Barger (Jet Blue CEO) - $600,000
W. Douglas Parker (US Airways CEO) - $550,000
Gary Kelly (Southwest CEO) - $465,000
Jerry Atkin (Skywest CEO) - $400,000
President of the United States - $400,000
William Ayer (Alaska CEO) - $395,385
U.S. Senator or House Member - $174,000
Eric Schmidt (Executive Chairman Google) - $1
Maurice J. Gallagher (CEO Allegiant Air) - $0

Add to the list if you know anyone? (Other than yourself)

Max Glide 04-05-2012 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Liv2soar (Post 1164196)
It's pretty pathetic when not one, but TWO, Senators SCOLDS the CEO of a regional airline for taking a 60% payraise amidst filing for bankruptcy. What a "kick in the teeth" for Sean Menke. ALPA needs to setup a picket line in front of One Commerce Square with signs that read "Sean Menke is an GUTLESS PIECE OF $H1T" and invite Senator Charles Schumer and Senator Kirsten Gillibrand to attend the event.

Bankrupt Pinnacle should rethink big raises for execs, lawmakers say - Flight 3407 - The Buffalo News



Sure is nice to know that some of our elected leaders in our goverment are actually standing up to corporate goons like Sean Menke. What a loser he is.

Loser? He's going home with a 60% pay raise. You're are reduced to vent on this board! Who is the loser?

gettinbumped 04-05-2012 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot (Post 1164310)
What are you talking about? You are rambling.

No he's not. He's spot on.

jayray 04-05-2012 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1164220)
That'll help you avoid court-forced pay cuts.

I don't get the Frontier Menke apologists. What did he do for you guys? His actions are everything that is wrong with America. He was like a broken record on Monday, constantly blaming this mess on other people. As the head of the company and someone who has been here 7 months it is time to start taking responsibility. It is also time to start suffering with your employees. Not to mention strategically speaking this was not a good move. First, the company doesn't have the cash flow and secondly how do you look a BK judge in the face and keep a straight face and tell them you need employee concessions to stay afloat but at the same time they can afford 1/2 million in executive pay raises? Advantage labor groups.

ewrbasedpilot 04-05-2012 07:46 AM

The BOD are the CLOWNS who approve these ridiculous salaries and parachutes. THEY are resposible for this crap. THEY are ANOTHER part of the PROBLEM. THEY are ALL LOSERS in my opinion. If your company said "here, let me give you a $5 million pay package plus bennies to run this company into BK", would you take it? Of course you would! :mad:

ewrbasedpilot 04-05-2012 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1164345)
No he's not. He's spot on.

She is the same one who's saying that promoting teenagers who want to get into aviation is called "child abuse". She's clueless.....................:rolleyes:

glyde 04-05-2012 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Liv2soar (Post 1164196)
It's pretty pathetic when not one, but TWO, Senators SCOLDS the CEO of a regional airline for taking a 60% payraise amidst filing for bankruptcy. What a "kick in the teeth" for Sean Menke. ALPA needs to setup a picket line in front of One Commerce Square with signs that read "Sean Menke is an GUTLESS PIECE OF $H1T" and invite Senator Charles Schumer and Senator Kirsten Gillibrand to attend the event.

Bankrupt Pinnacle should rethink big raises for execs, lawmakers say - Flight 3407 - The Buffalo News



Sure is nice to know that some of our elected leaders in our goverment are actually standing up to corporate goons like Sean Menke. What a loser he is.

Here is a link to the actual letter, maybe ALPA can use this to help with the defence of our contract.
WNY delegation on Pinnacle Airlines | WIVB.com Click on a link in the press release.

visceral 04-05-2012 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by jayray (Post 1164356)
I don't get the Frontier Menke apologists. What did he do for you guys? His actions are everything that is wrong with America. He was like a broken record on Monday, constantly blaming this mess on other people. As the head of the company and someone who has been here 7 months it is time to start taking responsibility. It is also time to start suffering with your employees. Not to mention strategically speaking this was not a good move. First, the company doesn't have the cash flow and secondly how do you look a BK judge in the face and keep a straight face and tell them you need employee concessions to stay afloat but at the same time they can afford 1/2 million in executive pay raises? Advantage labor groups.

I am confused as well on why they loved him. So I googled Menke and found a good quote from the denverpost.com:

"I like puzzles," he said. "It's a fascinating game for me to have $20 million, $25 million planes that you get to move around like toys."


Someone buy this guy some dolls or World of Warcraft and hire a real CEO.

FlyJSH 04-05-2012 08:28 AM

[QUOTE=bhmdiversion;1164330]

Originally Posted by Liv2soar (Post 1164214)
They just wanted to make sure that there is a Captain onboard the sinking vessel, .


Originally Posted by Liv2soar (Post 1164214)
The Supreme Captain of Pinnacle, Sean Menke, has just hit an iceberg and is the first one to bail into a lifeboat. He is drunk, and needs to be restrained to prevent causing even more damage.

Can we please stop calling MISTER sm a Captain?

HotMamaPilot 04-05-2012 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1164345)
No he's not. He's spot on.

I'm just not sure what you all are saying. If I may add, however, I found no sign of this story in the USS(R)A TODAY either. Just not sure why you're singling out FOX?

HotMamaPilot 04-05-2012 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 1164391)
She is the same one who's saying that promoting teenagers who want to get into aviation is called "child abuse". She's clueless.....................:rolleyes:

I like to think of myself as a voice of reason. Sort of like Joan of arc et al

flyguy23 04-05-2012 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by jayray:1164356

Originally Posted by FAULTPUSH (Post 1164220)
That'll help you avoid court-forced pay cuts.

I don't get the Frontier Menke apologists. What did he do for you guys? His actions are everything that is wrong with America. He was like a broken record on Monday, constantly blaming this mess on other people. As the head of the company and someone who has been here 7 months it is time to start taking responsibility. It is also time to start suffering with your employees. Not to mention strategically speaking this was not a good move. First, the company doesn't have the cash flow and secondly how do you look a BK judge in the face and keep a straight face and tell them you need employee concessions to stay afloat but at the same time they can afford 1/2 million in executive pay raises? Advantage labor groups.



Frontier pilots took paycuts with smiles on their face. Menke had every reason to love those guys and vice versa. An exec wanting to cut labor and a labor group all to happy to help. Marriage made in heaven.

Bolo 04-05-2012 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by flyguy23 (Post 1164439)
Frontier pilots took paycuts with smiles on their face. Menke had every reason to love those guys and vice versa. An exec wanting to cut labor and a labor group all to happy to help. Marriage made in heaven.

You are clueless and are talking from your ARSE!
We are still here BOZO and making a descent wage. Until you are in our den and know what really went on to save the company(not just pilots) do not speak half truths and BS!
This is about Pinnacle and not F9.

For the rest of you at Pinnacle, The top executives should lead by example and in this case unfortunately they are not. Your pain should be their pain as well which is not happening.
Good luck to you all.

sticky 04-05-2012 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by glyde (Post 1164401)
Here is a link to the actual letter, maybe ALPA can use this to help with the defence of our contract.
WNY delegation on Pinnacle Airlines | WIVB.com Click on a link in the press release.

WOW..thats really impressive.

Duke990 04-05-2012 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by ewrbasedpilot (Post 1164390)
The BOD are the CLOWNS who approve these ridiculous salaries and parachutes. THEY are resposible for this crap. THEY are ANOTHER part of the PROBLEM. THEY are ALL LOSERS in my opinion. If your company said "here, let me give you a $5 million pay package plus bennies to run this company into BK", would you take it? Of course you would! :mad:

^^^^^This is spot on! This same BOD approved the purchase of Colgan and Mesaba. This same BOD gave PT and DS a couple million dollars to "consult" after they "resigned." These same morons are the men behind the curtain pulling the strings. Menke may as well have been dropped onto the bridge of the Titanic just before it hit the iceberg. TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE! There was nothing that could be done to stop this sinking ship. Now Menke has to attempt to clean up a mess he didn't make. I sure don't like the fact that Menke took a pay raise, but the BOD are the REAL criminals.

Liv2soar 04-05-2012 11:33 AM

These Frontier pilots who constantly refer to Menke as a hero, are the same ones who voted to not merge with Southwest Airlines.........IDIOTS!!!

Menke is a total scumbag as he hasn't done one single action to help Pinnacle become a better place. He has not done anything. His entire legacy so far is nothing more than ask for paycuts, and focus on how Pinnacles finances are in poor shape. Union leaders have offered multi times to implement cost saving measures in the form of contractual relief, yet Menke has rejected all of that. Which only makes me believe, he is purposely sinking the ship, or simply on drugs. No CEO would deliberately make the out of control decisions he has made.

Bolo 04-05-2012 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by Liv2soar (Post 1164520)
These Frontier pilots who constantly refer to Menke as a hero, are the same ones who voted to not merge with Southwest Airlines.........IDIOTS!!!

And you are a brain surgeon right?
Not merging with SWA there was a reason to it. Please fill in the rest for me since you know so much. And by the way there was an auction and RAH bid was more than SWA's.

Again deflecting the thread away from Pinnacle.

TheTransporter 04-05-2012 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot (Post 1164433)
I'm just not sure what you all are saying. If I may add, however, I found no sign of this story in the USS(R)A TODAY either. Just not sure why you're singling out FOX?

Not really accurate or on topic?

Mojito 04-05-2012 12:06 PM

Maybe these senators should ST*U until they get paid what they are worth--ZERO! Congress' approval numbers are abysmal and it doesn't seem to stop them from giving themselves raises. Boo-hoo... Our CEO makes a lot of money and I don't... NEWSFLASH--you work at one of the worst regionals. YOU chose to go to work there. Don't like it? Leave.

"He's been here 7 months," time to stop blaming others. Meanwhile the @ss clown in the white house is still blaming "others" for his incompetence.

vtx531 04-05-2012 12:19 PM

I sent emails to my senators asking them to join in with the ones from the Western New York Delegate in denouncing this company and the executives. I urge you all to do the same. It only takes 5 mins.

U.S. Senate Contact Info

Ziggy 04-05-2012 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by vtx531 (Post 1164546)
I sent emails to my senators asking them to join in with the ones from the Western New York Delegate in denouncing this company and the executives. I urge you all to do the same. It only takes 5 mins.

U.S. Senate Contact Info

It would be better to educate the senators and congresspersons about why the RLA needs to be repealed.

gettinbumped 04-05-2012 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot (Post 1164436)
I like to think of myself as a voice of reason. Sort of like Joan of arc et al

I'm sure you do. Doesn't make it true. Sarah Palin (FOX correspondent) on the Today show railed against Obama's "socialist policies". When asked if she thought the economy was getting better she replies "For who? (sic). Maybe some Wall Street fat cats!!". The irony is she can't even understand the contradiction of her own statements. Somehow I doubt you do either.

The point was made that the signatures on the letter were all Democrats. At best, the R's are ignoring the disgusting $$ grab by the Pinnacle execs. As FOX is the mouthpiece of the R party, it is unlikely it will ever be aired on the network.

gettinbumped 04-05-2012 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Mojito (Post 1164541)
Maybe these senators should ST*U until they get paid what they are worth--ZERO! Congress' approval numbers are abysmal and it doesn't seem to stop them from giving themselves raises. Boo-hoo... Our CEO makes a lot of money and I don't... NEWSFLASH--you work at one of the worst regionals. YOU chose to go to work there. Don't like it? Leave.

"He's been here 7 months," time to stop blaming others. Meanwhile the @ss clown in the white house is still blaming "others" for his incompetence.

Yawn. You aren't a pilot are you? If you are, please don't apply to my airline

HotMamaPilot 04-05-2012 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1164640)
I'm sure you do. Doesn't make it true. Sarah Palin (FOX correspondent) on the Today show railed against Obama's "socialist policies". When asked if she thought the economy was getting better she replies "For who? (sic). Maybe some Wall Street fat cats!!". The irony is she can't even understand the contradiction of her own statements. Somehow I doubt you do either.

The point was made that the signatures on the letter were all Democrats. At best, the R's are ignoring the disgusting $$ grab by the Pinnacle execs. As FOX is the mouthpiece of the R party, it is unlikely it will ever be aired on the network.

Ah, the double standard: gotta love it. If I were to mention politics (I am a staunch righty btw), my post would have been deleted before I hit submit. And usmcflyer says that he doesn't stand a political ground on this forum.
And your point about palin? What was it? Exactly.


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