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Old 05-09-2012 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 200Driver
"started to accept our fates"...The exact statement / mentality that will prevent this industry from ever improving. Way to many pilots have developed this mentality. Defeat is always preceded by acceptance.
I agree. Kudos to all those who are taking a stand.
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Old 05-09-2012 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
uhmm well my entire plan was based on surviving until upgrade then paying down my loans. I since purchased a modest care nissan altima and have payments. with the size of my loans and any social life, i have to work about 85 hours a month.

stop with the holier then though. i'm wicked tight with my budget, its just that i have a huge loan payment. I have enough in savings to last a while but it is a steady trend toward personal bankruptcy
I have to agree with you gonyon.

People have no right to lecture each other on personal spending.
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Old 05-09-2012 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mooney
why should they be? we will have a steady supply of pilots just as soon as the "schools" start printing up shiny brochures showing a "graduate" in the right seat of the 747 he was promised he'd be in by the time he's 26....no matter what the pay is.
Assuming PCL is still around at that point.....
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Old 05-09-2012 | 04:24 PM
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Okay, let me spell it out....

Originally Posted by rightside02
There is no excuse for picking it up.... Pilots should budget their expenses based off of 75 hours.... Anythin more than that is simply extra .....

At least that's my 2 cents
Originally Posted by gonyon
Understood. some can not live off the 75 hours because of the cost to get the education for this job. i'm not advocating picking up open time but just illustrating that fact that 75 hours is not enough to LIVE on without digging into savings on a month to month basis for many in this industry.

gawd this industry sucks.
-Stating that one "cannot live off the 75 hours" sounds like justification for picking up future open time. If one needs additional money when we have folks furloughed, get a second job.

-Taking a job that necessitates pulling significant overtime just to break even isn't smart. Enough people doing so degrades pay industry wide.

I am not questioning how one spends his money, just saying that basing a budget on 85 hours per month (1020 hours per year) is a losing proposition. Until people stop counting on overtime and perdiem to survive, this industry will just be indentured servitude.
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Old 05-09-2012 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
-Taking a job that necessitates pulling significant overtime just to break even isn't smart. Enough people doing so degrades pay industry wide..
Yep, if you took this job within the last few years, with what was known about the industry, how can you complain? What is your backup plan? You do have a backup plan right? I could understand if it was a student in school trying to decide about whether they should go on with their training, but you are well past that now.
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Old 05-09-2012 | 06:11 PM
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Finally......... some common sense:

V.
Implementation
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Integrated
Seniority
List.
A.
The
Carrier
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implement
the
Integrated
Seniority
List
prior
to
Operational
Integration.
B.
No
employee
of
any
Carrier
Party
may
claim
an
entitlement
to
seniority
rights
of
any
type
under
the
Integrated
Seniority
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compensation
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other
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Old 05-09-2012 | 06:14 PM
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Finally......... some common sense:

V. Implementation of Integrated Seniority List.

A. The Carrier Parties shall not implement the Integrated Seniority List prior to operational integration.

B. No employee of any Carrier may claim an entitlement to seniority rights of any type under the integrated Seniority List, or to compensation or other benefits in lieu of such seniority rights, prior to Operational Integration.
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Old 05-09-2012 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
uhmm well my entire plan was based on surviving until upgrade then paying down my loans. I since purchased a modest care nissan altima and have payments. with the size of my loans and any social life, i have to work about 85 hours a month.

stop with the holier then though. i'm wicked tight with my budget, its just that i have a huge loan payment. I have enough in savings to last a while but it is a steady trend toward personal bankruptcy
Settle down there. I was not lecturing you i was stating what i thought josh was getting at. I too pay huge loan payments and am very fortunate my wife has a good job otherwise i would have been in Bankruptcy a long time ago. I was not commenting on what i think you or anyone else should do. I was just stating what I took from josh's comment
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Old 05-09-2012 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tom14cat14
Settle down there. I was not lecturing you i was stating what i thought josh was getting at. I too pay huge loan payments and am very fortunate my wife has a good job otherwise i would have been in Bankruptcy a long time ago. I was not commenting on what i think you or anyone else should do. I was just stating what I took from josh's comment
I apologize. I meant it as a response to the other guy. Sorry bout that. Yes, my plan was pretty solid when i got into this industry based on the info i had. unfortunately nothing went as planned. so my new plan is plan for nothing to go as planned then when the plan doesn't go as planned the plan is still good because you planned for there not to be a plan. Not a bad plan right?

now off to the bar by the lawschoool to find my sugar mama.
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Old 05-09-2012 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gonyon
uhmm well my entire plan was based on surviving until upgrade then paying down my loans. I since purchased a modest care nissan altima and have payments. with the size of my loans and any social life, i have to work about 85 hours a month.

stop with the holier then though. i'm wicked tight with my budget, its just that i have a huge loan payment. I have enough in savings to last a while but it is a steady trend toward personal bankruptcy
I don't think anyone has the rights to tell anyone how to live their life. I don't like the idea of buying things because I "plan" on upgrading or expecting a bigger pay check. My wife and I bought a house a couple years ago that's based on my 75 hrs of pay and her part time job. I don't have to worry about using our savings, everything above 75 hrs is put towards savings or entertainment.
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