Everyone talks about the hour requirement, but I have always wondered what happens to the guys that will not be 23. This answered my question. I wonder how other regionals will deal with pilots that will not meet the age requirement.

The 50NM requirement is does NOT apply to the ATP. the 500 hrs is point to point. I forget the exact wording in the FAR but under the subpart of 61 that pertains to the ATP it says it in there. Very similar to this is the "Solo" cross country requirement for the Comm. cert. it is not solo in that you are the sole occupant of the airplane, it means solo as in not dual instruction. The only definition of solo found in part 61 is under the subpart for student pilots and the definition states "For this subpart only"

So for the 500 hours of cross country time for the ATP, ANY flight that you had where you landed at another airport regardless of distance between the two is a cross country flight

The only way any "shortage" manifests is keeping the same number of airframes we have now. Less small rj's, and less frequency with larger aircraft, equals less pilots, by a factor of about 10 per plane.

Look up the reference please! I am on my cell but I am certain that is required for any rating.

No clue man, just seeing if anyone heard the same. I'm not sure if its the RAA doing it, or airline management. Maybe they are implementing their own early deadline to give them time to analyze the situation and deal with it properly, rather than last minute on August 1st... They'll probably look at the pilots on June 1st, see who has a realistic shot at the hours, and fly the hell out of them. Anyone who doesn't stand the chance may just get let go. I'm curious to see whats going to happen with these frozen/restricted ATPs, and if the airlines will even honor it...This is just my take on it though, and who knows if the June 1st thing is even true...

According to 61.1:

(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.


Unless I'm somehow misinterpreting this, I understand the ATP cross country to require a 50 nm distance, not point to point like 135.

If it is 500 hours of point to point, that would be much more reasonable for people to attain through normal time-building, and would really be a non-issue for most people.

61.1 Applicability and Definitons

(4) Cross-country time means—

(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(4)(ii) through (b)(4)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight—

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;

(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(iii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate (except for powered parachute privileges), time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that—

(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(iv) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for a sport pilot certificate with powered parachute privileges or a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute category rating, time acquired during a flight conducted in an appropriate aircraft that—

(A) Includes a point of landing at least a straight line distance of more than 15 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(B) Involves, as applicable, the use of dead reckoning; pilotage; electronic navigation aids; radio aids; or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(v) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for any pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category rating or an instrument-helicopter rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges, in a rotorcraft, under §61.101(c), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.

What about the PIC time requirement? Many regional FOs don't have the required amount. How is that being addressed?

This is incorrect.

I think I was confusing it with part 135. It's been a while since I've really had to think about it. Sorry for any confusion.