Connecting a Few dots at 9E
07-02-2012 | 01:36 PM
#101
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These arguments are useless unless we can see the service agreements. Yes, 9E in ch.11, but what does the Service agreement say (signed eve of BK), comair doesn't have one, what will DL do. ASA/Skywest is guarded, so is republic's.
We are all grasping at straws. All that is known is that in about 12 months more 76 seaters will appear, cuts will come on 50 seaters, and 717's will arrive at DL. We should know within 6 months what will happen over the next 18 months, starting in 12.
This is advertised as "good" for the industry of an airline pilot, but short term pain will exist.
Quick, someone tell the "great shortage" that it's time to hit the stage.... No? Crud.. Industry that cried wolf.
We are all grasping at straws. All that is known is that in about 12 months more 76 seaters will appear, cuts will come on 50 seaters, and 717's will arrive at DL. We should know within 6 months what will happen over the next 18 months, starting in 12.
This is advertised as "good" for the industry of an airline pilot, but short term pain will exist.
Quick, someone tell the "great shortage" that it's time to hit the stage.... No? Crud.. Industry that cried wolf.
07-03-2012 | 04:43 AM
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Maybe I should have stated a little clearer.
The current 16 900's operated by 9E may get swapped to someone else in the near future but I wholeheartedly believe that 9E will still have, at least, 16 900's in ATL when all is said and done.
The current 16 900's operated by 9E may get swapped to someone else in the near future but I wholeheartedly believe that 9E will still have, at least, 16 900's in ATL when all is said and done.
07-23-2012 | 07:22 PM
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Hey guys, just a little preview of what Delta may tell your judge when they ask to throw out your contract:
By the way, the judge believed him, threw out our contract, and the rest is history. Here is the entire ruling if you want a peek at Comair's past / Pinnacle's future:
http://www.nysb.uscourts.gov/opinion...64_opinion.pdf
I hope ALPA is better prepared this time.
Shawn Anderson, Delta’s Vice President of Delta Connection, gave this testimony in his November 1, 2006 trial Declaration:
"Moreover, Delta may place into service additional large 70-seat regional jets–and even larger RJs with up to 76 seats. Delta would have to consider placing these new aircraft at Comair’s competitors and “grow” the competitors instead of placing such valuable assets at Comair where they would produce less profit. . . .
"If Comair does not obtain the labor cost reductions it seeks, then its cost structure will not be competitive with the other Delta Connection carriers. In this industry, and at this time, having an uncompetitive cost structure will mean that Comair will have no opportunity for growth, and, indeed, will mean that Comair cannot survive as a viable regional airline. Simply put, unless Comair can reduce its controllable costs to competitive levels, it does not make business sense to continue Comair flying for Delta.
". . . If Comair can restructure itself so that its controllable costs are competitive, Delta should be able to increase, rather than decrease, the flying it contracts to Comair. This would mean that Comair would have an opportunity to grow, rather than shrink. With growth would come new job opportunities, and reduced unit costs, as more junior employees are added, and reduced unit overhead costs as the same facilities and overhead could be used to perform more flying.
". . . I am familiar with Comair’s restructuring plans, including its plan to reduce its controllable costs–both labor and non-labor. If Comair is able to restructure in accordance with its restructuring plans, I believe that Comair will be able to perform Delta Connection flying at a competitive price. Accordingly, I believe that the labor cost reductions in Comair’s business plan are necessary–indeed, essential–to Comair’s successful restructuring."
"If Comair does not obtain the labor cost reductions it seeks, then its cost structure will not be competitive with the other Delta Connection carriers. In this industry, and at this time, having an uncompetitive cost structure will mean that Comair will have no opportunity for growth, and, indeed, will mean that Comair cannot survive as a viable regional airline. Simply put, unless Comair can reduce its controllable costs to competitive levels, it does not make business sense to continue Comair flying for Delta.
". . . If Comair can restructure itself so that its controllable costs are competitive, Delta should be able to increase, rather than decrease, the flying it contracts to Comair. This would mean that Comair would have an opportunity to grow, rather than shrink. With growth would come new job opportunities, and reduced unit costs, as more junior employees are added, and reduced unit overhead costs as the same facilities and overhead could be used to perform more flying.
". . . I am familiar with Comair’s restructuring plans, including its plan to reduce its controllable costs–both labor and non-labor. If Comair is able to restructure in accordance with its restructuring plans, I believe that Comair will be able to perform Delta Connection flying at a competitive price. Accordingly, I believe that the labor cost reductions in Comair’s business plan are necessary–indeed, essential–to Comair’s successful restructuring."
By the way, the judge believed him, threw out our contract, and the rest is history. Here is the entire ruling if you want a peek at Comair's past / Pinnacle's future:
http://www.nysb.uscourts.gov/opinion...64_opinion.pdf
I hope ALPA is better prepared this time.
07-23-2012 | 09:07 PM
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And I was hired exactly a month and 5 days later from the that ruling! The last class hired at 1200 hrs and 200 multi ever at Comair. Funny how I busted my hump to get those last few hours of multi time back in the day! The mins dropped the next week after I interviewed!
Wish I had known but I was just happy to get out of flight instructing at the time! Just bad timing I guess!
Wish I had known but I was just happy to get out of flight instructing at the time! Just bad timing I guess!
07-27-2012 | 07:12 AM
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