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amcnd 06-22-2012 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 1217041)
Or they want us to believe that most of the 200's are going away, and want us to sign a horrible contract so we "might" get some 900's.

Except the concept that what ever 9E bids on the RFP. GoJet will bid 9E minus $1...

The Juice 06-22-2012 03:03 PM

"Flawed" doesn't even begin to describe the Regional business model. Daddy Delta is using their regionals to whipsaw eachother for who can do it cheapest. Now these Regionals are forced to ask their already low paid pilots to take less pay to keep their existing low paying jobs.

Here is the irony. Spanjers is speaking about how important it is to grow in the 76 seat jet market, when just recently they allowed Delta to force them into terminating their 74 seat prop contract with United. A contract that could have been reworked and profitable but Delta wanted to "stick it" to United and Pinnacle did what Daddy Delta said.

Run boys and girls, run far far away

whtever 06-22-2012 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1216965)
We don't need no water let the Pamela Martha Focker burn.

+1... Does Spanjers, our new decision maker in a long line of incompetent losers, understand if it burns, he burns as well? All 2400 of us together now, "F U!"

PCLCREW 06-22-2012 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 1217050)
Except the concept that what ever 9E bids on the RFP. GoJet will bid 9E minus $1...

Yep and then in 2 years from now when go jet declares BK... another rat bag regional will come in and bid a $1 lower then go jet and the cycle continues to the lowest pay job in the world.

Mesabah 06-22-2012 06:12 PM

How the F did HoBo Jet, an alter ego of Trans States, get to be part of DCI and is now being used to specifically to whipsaw us? That's unbelievable when you think about it.

ShyGuy 06-22-2012 06:27 PM


These new developments are the reason we are temporarily suspending labor negotiations while we take time to assess the impact of our recentdiscussions with Delta. Once we reformulate our business plan and identify the level of additional concessions needed to make it work, we’ll communicate those details with all parties and return promptly todiscussions with our unions.
Ha! Priceless. When your business plan needs concessions in order to make it work, it's time to STFD!

Most of the junior 9E pilots have already bailed out, and others continue to leave from the junior side (guys #2000 and above). Of course, the lifers on the -900s will want their money-maker to survive, so the paycuts will come. It's sad, but it is what it is. I just find it funny there are those 9E pilots still taking shots at GoJets, yet they don't realize that in less than 12 months, they will be making at or less than GoJets wages. You want the -900s, it's gonna be GoJets/Compass wages. OR you can draw a line and say "**** this" and just leave. Of course, there are those who still view themselves as 'above' applying to places like Spirit or VA, so they will stick it out. Good luck!

samballs 06-22-2012 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1217172)
How the F did HoBo Jet, an alter ego of Trans States, get to be part of DCI and is now being used to specifically to whipsaw us? That's unbelievable when you think about it.

Same way pinnacle was used to whipsaw comair when comair was in bk.

FlyJSH 06-22-2012 06:34 PM

File Ch. 7, and be done with it.

ShyGuy 06-22-2012 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by Silver02ex (Post 1217047)
"Delta told us that the bids they’ve received from other
regional carriers on 2-class flying were significantly below what they pay
for Pinnacle’s CRJ-900 flying."

Let me see if I understand this correct. Pinnacle bid to fly the 900's at a loss, and now they are going away. So Delta has bid that's lower than that?

Ah, Chief, they aren't talking about the 9E -900s. Those 16 are dead. Look at the numbers again. 140 out of 181 are CRJ-200s, which means the rest in the end game are the 41 original Mesaba -900s. They are super senior, with many lifers. Spandex is saying that those -900 rates and seniority cannot compete with GoJets and Compass.

PinnacleFO 06-23-2012 03:26 AM

question for former xjer's did northwest buy you guys before the negotiations were complete and did northwest management basically finish them or were negotiations in chapter 11 complete before the purchase. I am asking because it seems like putting negotiations on hold right before the TA vote at delta is odd especially with the timeline in the DIP financing that delta gave us to finish their contract. I am a person who has thought that we will not get purchased by anyone but this latest development has me wondering.


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