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johnso29 01-18-2013 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gold (Post 1333042)
Haven't heard anything in awhile, are they doneski?
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Originally Posted by BizPilot (Post 1333044)
was going to get better.

Why launch now and be out if business 6 months from now.
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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1333678)
A ride to work is more than undone by barfing capacity into a saturated market and resulting in the airline you already work for reducing jobs that need a ride to work in the first place. Start ups are great for jumpseats, but they need to be crushed and liquidated. Every single one of them.
Yup. He may as well give up. It's a losing proposition right out of the gate. The West Coast is already capacity saturated. I don't care what airport they operate out of.

gloopy 01-19-2013 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1333702)
Yup. He may as well give up. It's a losing proposition right out of the gate. The West Coast is already capacity saturated. I don't care what airport they operate out of.
I agree. That doesn't mean they won't try though. Rich people can be some of the cheapest tippers, biggest tax avoiders (if not evaders) and harshest negotiators in the world. But when it comes to playing with airplanes suddenly losing money doesn't matter anymore and they become ballers making it rain dolla dolla billz y'all at the Viper Room while holding LiLo's hair in the corner as she throws up all over their suede shoes.

gold 01-21-2013 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1334218)
I agree. That doesn't mean they won't try though.
I heard the owner has given up, too many snags with the FAA approval.

BizPilot 01-21-2013 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1333678)
A ride to work is more than undone by barfing capacity into a saturated market and resulting in the airline you already work for reducing jobs that need a ride to work in the first place. Start ups are great for jumpseats, but they need to be crushed and liquidated. Every single one of them.
SWA anf FDX were once a startup and now they pay some of the highest rates in the industry

With your logic we should have one state airline like Aeroflot in Russia. I'll betcha pilots need to be related to Putin to get a job there.

blastoff 01-21-2013 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BizPilot (Post 1335317)
SWA anf FDX were once a startup and now they pay some of the highest rates in the industry

With your logic we should have one state airline like Aeroflot in Russia. I'll betcha pilots need to be related to Putin to get a job there.
There was this little event in our industry in the '70's called "Deregulation." SWA and FDX/Flying Tigers existed before it. Not much good has popped up since.

johnso29 01-21-2013 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BizPilot (Post 1335317)
SWA anf FDX were once a startup and now they pay some of the highest rates in the industry

With your logic we should have one state airline like Aeroflot in Russia. I'll betcha pilots need to be related to Putin to get a job there.
That was before deregulation. Completely different.

johnso29 01-21-2013 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by blastoff (Post 1335364)
There was this little event in our industry in the '70's called "Deregulation." SWA and FDX/Flying Tigers existed before it. Not much good has popped up since.
Exactly..............

SuperPilotJesse 01-21-2013 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by blastoff (Post 1335364)
There was this little event in our industry in the '70's called "Deregulation." SWA and FDX/Flying Tigers existed before it. Not much good has popped up since.
Define "good"?

Jetblue
UPS
Airtran
Virgin
Atlas
Allegiant

Just off the top of my head.

Moby Dick 01-21-2013 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperPilotJesse (Post 1335575)
Define "good"?

Jetblue-non-Union. B6 pay rates imposed on legacy airlines by bankruptcy court. Industry is just recovering now.
UPS - Freight
Airtran - Reworked Valujet.
Virgin - non-Union. Substandard pay compared to other narrowbody airlines.
Atlas - ACMI
Allegiant - new Union fighting substandard contract.
Any more questions?

ShyGuy 01-21-2013 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Moby Dick (Post 1335591)
Any more questions?
How about Alaska Airlines has substandard pay compared to Delta and United. Any questions? :rolleyes:


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