Ummm. Yes. I understood that and still stand by my response. Guess I WAS being obtuse!!

:rolleyes:

I'm not going to get into the debate and flamebaiting. The issue to consider is if the carrier is doing any work for Delta. If they are, anticipate that they will lose. Delta's new contract was designed for one specific reason...taking ALL flying from any carrier that feeds Delta and moving it to mainline. This has been an ongoing goal for at least the last two years, when Moak was MEC Chairman. The company and a lawyer from Ford Harrison have been working with him to make it happen. Comair was always planned to be the first. Last weeks memo to Comair employees was about as ominous as it gets. The parking of the 50 seaters took 5,580 seats off the balance sheet.

The math makes it unsustainable. Darn shame...I remember when Comair flew Navajo's and Bandits...now this. Really classy move by the DAL MEC...there's "pilot unity," Delta style. Just like they did with Eastern...took the DC-9's and 727's...and not one pilot...even at the bottom of the list.

Ernie Gann was right.

Wait til all the regionals figure out that they can just start up a new airline every few years and phase out the older one just to eliminate seniority and constantly have pilots flying for 1st and 2nd year pay.

There's a difference between competing for flying and just completely undercutting someone. Blow jets can't make money on the rates they set with DL.

What's really bad is they undercut themselves, their OWN pilot group. Now that they have this figured out GJ better be able to move on or get ready to bend over once they get a few years under their belts.

When I came to Colgan, upgrades were as little as 18 months (if you weren't hired as a street captain). Well, 18 months became 40, we got a decent contract, and a bankruptcy. Don't count on upgrade or anything else.

Freedom Airlines did it to Mesa

As they say, don't chase an upgrade. Go somewhere that you'll be happy to be at if you get stuck a few years. I've been at OO for over a year and am pretty happy to be here so far.

Regarding Freedom Airlines: The guys at Mesa Airlines decided not to call JO's bluff after he went into a meeting and told the union he would move every airplane Mesa had over to Freedom if they didn't sign one of the worst contracts ever. So they bent over and took terrible pay and work rules to get a contract that said all Mesa flying will be done by Mesa pilots.

TSA called the bluff and found out the company wasn't bluffing.

Uh, hello? What do you think Pinnacle has done? Those ATL -900s were all underbid, it's the only reason Delta gave that contract to Pinnacle. It was unprofitable, period. And you can't say for fact that Gojets isn't making money on the rate they set with Delta. You wouldn't know. GoJets is super junior with one of the lowest longevity pilot group in the regional industry.