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Originally Posted by MunkyButtr
(Post 1230547)
Not picking a fight, but what other airline was started with the sole purpose of circumventing a pilot contract? We all know DCI flying changes hands all the time, but none of the DCI carriers sole existance is based on avoiding a contract. I think deep down people are trying to justify going there in their own minds. Do whatever you want, everyone is well aware of the potential consequences and rewards.
Look, the bottom line is ever since deregulation, and with competition, the unions have slowly lost their leverage. Pricing, economy, and competition will always drive the contractual moves. TSA wanted to fly the bigger RJs for a certain wage, and TSA ALPA told Hulas 'No.' That's fine, but without leverage, they called a bluff, and lost. GoJets was formed. At one point, GoJets was hiring while TSA was displacing and downgrading. Lets extend that to a carrier you and I both know well. Pinnacle Inc was doing flying as an ALPA carrier. Management wanted a second option, a B scale, another platform to use against us, giving them leverage. So they went out and bought Colgan - a non-ALPA airline. Then they grew Colgan massively while displacing and downgrading Pinnacle pilots. In both cases, management was able to successfully circumvent ALPA and its effectiveness. Today, in 2012, GoJets is no longer different than the average regional airline. Certainly, your chances of employment in the future will not be hindered.... not until a TSA pilot makes it to the hiring board of a legacy airline. Most major airline pilots and major HR departments don't even care about the regional airline squabbles. |
Originally Posted by Spoilers
(Post 1230587)
There's a difference between competing for flying and just completely undercutting someone. Blow jets can't make money on the rates they set with DL.
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Originally Posted by UNDGUY
(Post 1230851)
Regarding Freedom Airlines: The guys at Mesa Airlines decided not to call JO's bluff after he went into a meeting and told the union he would move every airplane Mesa had over to Freedom if they didn't sign one of the worst contracts ever. So they bent over and took terrible pay and work rules to get a contract that said all Mesa flying will be done by Mesa pilots.
TSA called the bluff and found out the company wasn't bluffing. |
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Finally, at least two guys that understand the game being played. All of those that like to make a sport out of bashing GoJet need to comprehend what they are saying. All the temper tantrums make you sound like whining kids. |
Back to the Subject
To the original poster. If we could get back to the original question for at least one post. When I was furloughed from Mesa in 2010 I decided to stand on my moral high horse and not "lower the bar" or "be a scab" and go to Go Jet while lot's of my Mesa friends did. Since then I have had four jobs including taking contracts outside the US just to pay my bills. I am currently back to first year pay again and hoping this one lasts longer than my previous record of six months. My Go Jet friends on the other hand have held a line since the second or third month they were hired and have enjoyed good job security and a steady paycheck. Oh and they are all captains now. Something I have still yet to achieve. Take it for what it's worth, your mileage may vary blah blah blah. I can't help but feel I would have been better off had I joined them.
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Just out of curiosity what kind of flight benefits do you get over at g7?
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Originally Posted by Low Flyin
(Post 1231401)
Just out of curiosity what kind of flight benefits do you get over at g7?
I dunno, but they definitely don't involve jumpseats. |
Originally Posted by TBucket
(Post 1231404)
I dunno, but they definitely don't involve jumpseats.
ORD pilots have UAL benefits (yourself, spouse, parents, children, and an additional friend). STL can use either UAL or delta. RDU only flies for delta, so that is their only option. I Jumpsat on Saturday and Sunday....so there ya go. |
At OO you get Delta, United Airways and Alaska.
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Originally Posted by Slats
(Post 1231486)
At OO you get Delta, United Airways and Alaska.
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