Comair to be shut down 9/29
07-30-2012 | 05:02 PM
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From: blueJet
07-30-2012 | 05:02 PM
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From: blueJet
Gojo,
What you write resonates. Delta states Comair is "uncompetitive" and has "high costs." Why wont anyone ask the logical question ... "Well, who managed Comair?"
Comair's costs are a direct result of:
(1) Scheduling inefficiencies as 9 carriers over fly one another across the same network carrying the same passengers.
(2) Fleet utilization inefficiencies (see above)
(3) Fleet age ... Delta outsourced new equipment to other providers
(4) Employee Longevity ... Comair has no low scale employees because as Delta shrank them, Comair became more senior.
Any Delta employee who does not understand these same people are managing Delta the same way don't understand this business. Delta mainline's costs are increasing as flying is performed by SkyTeam "partners." By my count there are 10 separate aircraft types & certificates serving just KLGA. If every square inch of the airport was used to house maintenance spares and house crews, there would not be sufficient room. Anything from a minor mechanical to a cloud over Washington Center is going to just destroy operational reliability in New York.
As our "partners" grow with new crews and new equipment Delta's costs will escalate in comparison. In fact, we already hear management stating this clearly in our quarterly investors' calls. (I think the number was 4% increase in costs due to capacity reductions ... but I've been up all night)
As employees there is nothing we can do in the face of management outsourcing except unity. This is where mainline pilots every where have let you, me, and this profession down. There should have been no Comair growth at Delta's expense. There should be no GoJets growth at Comair's expense. We should be in this together.
Every pilot will have to decide for themselves what course of action is best. I'm sure Delta will keep Comair's employment / payroll records and use them during interviews. Probably best to grit your teeth, fly safe, show up and do the work you get paid for. If I were doing the hiring seeing someone work through the most adverse circumstances imaginable would be a huge credit to the applicant's integrity.
What you write resonates. Delta states Comair is "uncompetitive" and has "high costs." Why wont anyone ask the logical question ... "Well, who managed Comair?"
Comair's costs are a direct result of:
(1) Scheduling inefficiencies as 9 carriers over fly one another across the same network carrying the same passengers.
(2) Fleet utilization inefficiencies (see above)
(3) Fleet age ... Delta outsourced new equipment to other providers
(4) Employee Longevity ... Comair has no low scale employees because as Delta shrank them, Comair became more senior.
Any Delta employee who does not understand these same people are managing Delta the same way don't understand this business. Delta mainline's costs are increasing as flying is performed by SkyTeam "partners." By my count there are 10 separate aircraft types & certificates serving just KLGA. If every square inch of the airport was used to house maintenance spares and house crews, there would not be sufficient room. Anything from a minor mechanical to a cloud over Washington Center is going to just destroy operational reliability in New York.
As our "partners" grow with new crews and new equipment Delta's costs will escalate in comparison. In fact, we already hear management stating this clearly in our quarterly investors' calls. (I think the number was 4% increase in costs due to capacity reductions ... but I've been up all night)
As employees there is nothing we can do in the face of management outsourcing except unity. This is where mainline pilots every where have let you, me, and this profession down. There should have been no Comair growth at Delta's expense. There should be no GoJets growth at Comair's expense. We should be in this together.
Every pilot will have to decide for themselves what course of action is best. I'm sure Delta will keep Comair's employment / payroll records and use them during interviews. Probably best to grit your teeth, fly safe, show up and do the work you get paid for. If I were doing the hiring seeing someone work through the most adverse circumstances imaginable would be a huge credit to the applicant's integrity.
07-31-2012 | 12:09 AM
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No Boo Hoo here!
Interviewed when right seat of the Banderante was a step down for me. PASSED!
Proud of you for initiating Jet service at the regional level, helped me in my career. But really.........would have happened somewhere; thus your ego.
Later, friends of mine walked the line for you guys, I paid strike benefits for you and when my contract came up, well, where were you guys? Laughing ! Not only laughing, but condemning us as a race to the bottom!
And you still do. I've seen bankruptcy, severe downsizing, yet still existing (with only the highest paid people on the seniority list left) . And still you look down on us!
You continue to look down on us and repeat your superior prim a dona attitude and ask us to feel sad for your own self destructive behavior.
I am truly sorry for the effects on your individual lives.
As a group, you reap what you have sowed.
Interviewed when right seat of the Banderante was a step down for me. PASSED!
Proud of you for initiating Jet service at the regional level, helped me in my career. But really.........would have happened somewhere; thus your ego.
Later, friends of mine walked the line for you guys, I paid strike benefits for you and when my contract came up, well, where were you guys? Laughing ! Not only laughing, but condemning us as a race to the bottom!
And you still do. I've seen bankruptcy, severe downsizing, yet still existing (with only the highest paid people on the seniority list left) . And still you look down on us!
You continue to look down on us and repeat your superior prim a dona attitude and ask us to feel sad for your own self destructive behavior.
I am truly sorry for the effects on your individual lives.
As a group, you reap what you have sowed.
07-31-2012 | 12:19 AM
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From: Unemployed 121 Captain
I feel bad for the Comair pilots, however, looking at the DOH for the most junior FO these pilots will get another job by next June. When the 1500 hr requirement is implemented there will be plenty of jobs open when the college kids get sent packing. 
Last edited by 727574drvr; 07-31-2012 at 12:20 AM. Reason: sentence fragment
07-31-2012 | 04:14 AM
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Delta pilots want the flying. Give it to them all at once. I hope you all use your sick time on the same days. Might as well cost Delta as much money as you can before you leave. I have been out sick since November! They may win the war, but we should inflict as much damage as possible before its over.
Good luck to all
07-31-2012 | 06:41 AM
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Change the terms of your termination?!?!?!.....like what, no smile when they say you're let go?? If there is no payout for endless sick time guys have, that is just $$$ that the company keeps. And yes, guys will get hired at a major, even if they have used their sick time.
07-31-2012 | 07:15 AM
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I think the terms are similar to what the people that took the buyout had. They will "give" you certain things as long as you play nice until the end. "Things" might include pass benefits, severance pay, a nice Honeybaked Ham....you get the picture.
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