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meesq 08-10-2012 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1243458)
Looking forward, those planes are going to cheaper regionals. More experienced pilots are jobless and less experienced pilots are upgrading. Delta still has no 717s on property. Delta still is not hiring.

Yup, that's about it in a nutshell. Would love to have that cheaper regional fail miserably at staffing its new planes. Let the jobs go unfilled or at least filled with such inexperienced pilots that the powers that be are forced to make changes. If DAL thinks they have problems now with their DCI carriers, just wait.

Yabadaba 08-10-2012 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck (Post 1243466)
Yabadaba, I don't consider CMA to be a legitimate company at all. While there are companies like that, there are many more that are willing to pay you well and treat you well for your work. I'm fortunate and blessed enough to work for one.

Jazz is considered a major here. The pay is the same as AC's and tops out pretty high.

Ultimately... if your PAX buying a ticket with a major airline showed up and are ****ed they are are on your RJ... your a regional pilot. If your flying routes that are sold under another companies name... your a regional pilot. Nobody gets on the web and searches for Jazz fares.

Yes, I grew up win Western Canada and work for a YYC company... Great quality of life with both countries but anyone who things they will get rich by jumping the border is a moron.

Anyway... best of luck to the Comair guys and gals... sorry for the highjack.

bozobigtop 08-10-2012 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by meesq (Post 1243485)
Yup, that's about it in a nutshell. Would love to have that cheaper regional fail miserably at staffing its new planes. Let the jobs go unfilled or at least filled with such inexperienced pilots that the powers that be are forced to make changes. If DAL thinks they have problems now with their DCI carriers, just wait.


The legacies will do what they have always done through policies of serving large markets and the heck with the smaller markets. The pain will never be equal.

FlyJSH 08-10-2012 09:49 PM

My heart goes out to the Comair lifers. I respect them and understand why they made their choices.

I hope the can land on their feet.

Good luck to you all, may you find a decent job and be happy.

jsh

BladeRunner 08-11-2012 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by meesq (Post 1243485)
Yup, that's about it in a nutshell. Would love to have that cheaper regional fail miserably at staffing its new planes. Let the jobs go unfilled or at least filled with such inexperienced pilots that the powers that be are forced to make changes. If DAL thinks they have problems now with their DCI carriers, just wait.

God forbid something bad happens with experienced pilots on the street. The $&!$ storm that will ensue will devastate Delta.
I blame ALPA for allowing this to happen.

dl773 08-11-2012 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1243458)
Looking forward, those planes are going to cheaper regionals. More experienced pilots are jobless and less experienced pilots are upgrading. Delta still has no 717s on property. Delta still is not hiring.

On the other hand, Bill Lumberg is banned from APC.

So all in all, I'd say this TA is a big neutral.


Well, transient issues (Delta 717 not yet on property) as well as well-known issues with the seniority system aside, I think on balance things are looking up. I think it's going to be a mild improvement, but it's there.

Crazy Canuck 08-11-2012 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Yabadaba (Post 1243578)
Ultimately... if your PAX buying a ticket with a major airline showed up and are ****ed they are are on your RJ... your a regional pilot. If your flying routes that are sold under another companies name... your a regional pilot. Nobody gets on the web and searches for Jazz fares.

Yes, I grew up win Western Canada and work for a YYC company... Great quality of life with both countries but anyone who things they will get rich by jumping the border is a moron.

Anyway... best of luck to the Comair guys and gals... sorry for the highjack.

Ya true, but there's a big difference between a regional pilot making regional wages and making the same wages as its parent major. And also, most pilots who go to the majors here don't need to go through jazz (regionals) first to get there.

Justdoinmyjob 08-11-2012 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by BladeRunner (Post 1243651)
God forbid something bad happens with experienced pilots on the street. The $&!$ storm that will ensue will devastate Delta.
I blame ALPA for allowing this to happen.

While I'm sure some would like a crap storm to devastate Delta, that ain't gonna happen. At some point in their history, every mainline has had a subcontractor regional crash an airplane and kill people. In the end, there was relatively little blowback.

And how it it ALPA's fault for a business decision by management? For the last several years, regional pilots have been yelling about mainline scope sales and take the flying back. Well, what we are seeing is the inevitable outcome of that finally happening. The first to go will be the better paid, regionals who can't compete economically with the bottom feeders. Then, while there might be a temporary boost to the BFs, they will eventually not be able to handle the flying, and with less ability to whipsaw will be under more pressure to perform. When they cannot meet performance goals, artificial or not, the legacies will finally shut the whole mess down.

This is the result of scope take backs. Expect to see more pain in the regional set if UCAL and AA are able to rein in their scope. That is what everyone wanted right?

Yabadaba 08-11-2012 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck (Post 1243719)
Ya true, but there's a big difference between a regional pilot making regional wages and making the same wages as its parent major. And also, most pilots who go to the majors here don't need to go through jazz (regionals) first to get there.

That is true. I don't know anyone at WJ or AC that worked at Jazz prior.

Airline Pilot Central - Air Canada | Canadian

Airline Pilot Central - Jazz Aviation | Canadian

Unless these payscales aren't accurate the EMB guys at AC make about 30% more than Jazz Ca's... and will be on a list to move to a bigger plane.

12 year upgrade... yikes!

N2Core 08-11-2012 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1243768)
While I'm sure some would like a crap storm to devastate Delta, that ain't gonna happen. At some point in their history, every mainline has had a subcontractor regional crash an airplane and kill people. In the end, there was relatively little blowback.

And how it it ALPA's fault for a business decision by management? For the last several years, regional pilots have been yelling about mainline scope sales and take the flying back. Well, what we are seeing is the inevitable outcome of that finally happening. The first to go will be the better paid, regionals who can't compete economically with the bottom feeders. Then, while there might be a temporary boost to the BFs, they will eventually not be able to handle the flying, and with less ability to whipsaw will be under more pressure to perform. When they cannot meet performance goals, artificial or not, the legacies will finally shut the whole mess down.

This is the result of scope take backs. Expect to see more pain in the regional set if UCAL and AA are able to rein in their scope. That is what everyone wanted right?

DAL was gonna park those 50 seaters anyway. I'm pretty sure that they were gonna get the 717's anyway too. The only thing this contract accomplished scope-wise was added larger regional jets to regionals. Hardly a win.


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