Airline Pilot Central Forums - Comair a sign of a brighter future?

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)

- Regional (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/)

- - Comair a sign of a brighter future? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/69451-comair-sign-brighter-future.html)

Quote:

Originally Posted by N2Core (Post 1243829)

DAL was gonna park those 50 seaters anyway. I'm pretty sure that they were gonna get the 717's anyway too. The only thing this contract accomplished scope-wise was added larger regional jets to regionals. Hardly a win.

Actually, DL was not going to get the 717s if the TA didn't pass. They had two business plans, one with, one without. If the TA had been voted down, they would have gone with the 717less plan.

As for the 50s going away, yes they were. However, the 717less plan called for a more gradual drawdown over the next few years, not the wholesale slash and burn going on now. Had the TA been voted down, Comair would still be around for the time being. While they were certainly on life support, they would still be flying 50s for a few years.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1243450)

BINGO !!!

Eagle will be the next carrier to fly 79-seat airliners for peanuts. Yes, they WILL get some of those jets and while it may be palatable for those very senior who don't plan on leaving, for the majority it means many of them will still be there in 10 years and for all intents and purposes chained to that carrier for their careers. At that point, they'll be too old and be passed up for younger, cheaper pilots at the majors who don't need full family health care or expensive health issues.

The worst part (as if that isn't bad enough) is that virtually all of the majors will have whipsaw models in place whereby each of these regional carriers flying a portion of that majors feeder needs will have short-term contracts that must be rebid and thus compensation for these pilots will be continuously stagnant. Considering inflation and skyrocketing health care, the earning power for most will actually decline year-over-year.

The shininess of a CRJ-900 or E-175 will wear off quickly, especially since there will be fewer escape ropes to the majors, stagnation will occur. The next down cycle will see the music stop and the inevitable lack of available chairs for all and that's at both the majors and regionals.

The question for each pilot is, "where will YOU be in that conga line when the music DOES stop again ?".

I don't agree with this and here is why. Who would you rather hire, a 45 year old pilot who would work for 20 years before mandatory retirement, or a 25 year old who would work for you for 40 years? It would cost you less money over the long term for the 45 year old...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yabadaba (Post 1243776)

That is true. I don't know anyone at WJ or AC that worked at Jazz prior.

Airline Pilot Central - Air Canada | Canadian

Airline Pilot Central - Jazz Aviation | Canadian

Unless these payscales aren't accurate the EMB guys at AC make about 30% more than Jazz Ca's... and will be on a list to move to a bigger plane.

12 year upgrade... yikes!

Air Canada just went through arbitration on their contract a week ago, and the new wages (significantly lower) aren't accurate anymore.

That said, I do realize Jazz is a regional, but they do pay a lot better then GoJetsssss or any other US regional. I know guys who are making a career of it, which is a lot less lucrative at other places..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck (Post 1244062)

The position group (EMB) rates for AC listed on APC were never accurate...always seemed to be too low. Under the new FOS the rates are closer to JetBlue's. Also, the hourly rate for the new 4 year flat salary are as follows:

Year 1: 50.27, Year 2: 55.50, Year 3: 63.87, Year 4: 72.24