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Geardownflaps30 08-14-2012 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 1245189)
While I do agree with most of what your saying. I also think that their may never be a true shortage of pilots but one thing a lot people do not think about is how fast the rest of the world's air travel is growing. Never before has air travel been in such high demand in places like Africa, India, China, etc. Its hard for some Americans to imagine but we are a small speck of sand compared to the rest of the world by population. The world population is still growing at a rapid pace (including the US) and there is only so much capacity that can be cut before the number of people on the planet exceed capacity.

Just my .02

Additionally as airlines up gauge equipment size over the next decade (50's to 76's, 76's to 717's, etc etc) while there may be increases in total capacity in the US, the total number of pilots required will decrease (thus continuing the trend of making the industry more efficient). Look for global capacity to increase in developing areas of the world but US airlines will only be a small fraction of that growth.

So yes. While global air travel growth is forecast to grow wildly, very little will affect US airlines. Hence no pilot shortage at all, in spite of future retirements. However, a shortage a qualified AND quality applicants at the regional level is quite possible.

skylover 08-14-2012 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1245245)
Latest word I got from my congress critter is that, under pressure, the FAA is removing the "cutout" for civilian pilots.

Looks like even the mil guys will need at least 1,000 hours.

Nu

I'm sorry, what do you mean "cutout"? The exception?

Rotor2prop 08-14-2012 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1245273)
Additionally as airlines up gauge equipment size over the next decade (50's to 76's, 76's to 717's, etc etc) while there may be increases in total capacity in the US, the total number of pilots required will decrease (thus continuing the trend of making the industry more efficient). Look for global capacity to increase in developing areas of the world but US airlines will only be a small fraction of that growth.

So yes. While global air travel growth is forecast to grow wildly, very little will affect US airlines. Hence no pilot shortage at all, in spite of future retirements. However, a shortage a qualified AND quality applicants at the regional level is quite possible.

Sure we will see a reduction of pilots needed due to airlines going to larger RJ type aircraft but in the grand scheme of things pilot demand will start to go up after about a 5 year adjustment period. Pilots leaving regionals to go to mainline will absorb some of these reductions quickly. The US airline capacity will grow again soon as long as we can stay out of a world war or something along those lines. The US population is growing at about 2.5 million people a year so capacity will have to increase so people can fly. Shortage? Probably not. Steady need of pilots? No doubt.

taf158 08-14-2012 07:06 AM

Will part of the NPRM be to change the XC requirement for the ATP? As it stands you need 500XC 50NM straight line distance. This number is difficult to get to just flight instructing.

Tenacvols 08-14-2012 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 1245245)
Latest word I got from my congress critter is that, under pressure, the FAA is removing the "cutout" for civilian pilots.

Looks like even the mil guys will need at least 1,000 hours.

Nu

A 1000 hours for military guys (Navy/AF) won't be a problem. You get winged with around 300 hours, then it's off to your first squadron. I left with slightly over 1000 hours.

afterburn81 08-14-2012 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by taf158 (Post 1245314)
Will part of the NPRM be to change the XC requirement for the ATP? As it stands you need 500XC 50NM straight line distance. This number is difficult to get to just flight instructing.

It's difficult for a reason. In theory, the more challenging the the task the better the reward. All of these short cuts in life have watered down the reward. Pilots have no self worth because they really have nothing to back it up any more. Some have more experience on Microsoft Flight Simulator than they do in a real airplane.

So rather than try and find another path due to the level of challenge. Recognize the reasoning for the challenge.

If all you have done in life is flight instruct, maybe you don't have what it takes (or what it should take) to become an airline pilot. I think that is where they were going with the detailed requirements to hold an ATP certificate.

Sorry to be blunt but I'm sure others can see the harsh truth in that.

Leroy Smith 08-14-2012 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by taf158 (Post 1245314)
Will part of the NPRM be to change the XC requirement for the ATP? As it stands you need 500XC 50NM straight line distance. This number is difficult to get to just flight instructing.

Maybe if you are working at a puppy-mill and have no motivation or ambition. If you are actively using your CFI and not finding it to be challenging and REWARDING, you're doing it wrong.

coryk 08-14-2012 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Leroy Smith (Post 1245360)
Maybe if you are working at a puppy-mill and have no motivation or ambition. If you are actively using your CFI and not finding it to be challenging and REWARDING, you're doing it wrong.

LOL, most people I know used their CFI for time-building and nothing else. Is it surprising that some people just don't have the desire/drive to teach? :eek:

I think what most opponents of this law are saying in regards to the higher times is that the arbitrary number (1500) is farther away than say 600-1000 which was what the regionals were hiring with for a long time. They did do anything wrong, and then overnight, the magic number was some how doubled. It adds a lot of pressure. Sure, it's an extra year of CFI, freight, etc. However, after putting forth the effort to earn the ratings, spend the money and the time, then worry about meeting certain requirements, it seems bleak to some.

I'd like to know how many regional pilots over the last few years were actually hired WITH an ATP?

Senior Skipper 08-14-2012 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by taf158 (Post 1245314)
Will part of the NPRM be to change the XC requirement for the ATP? As it stands you need 500XC 50NM straight line distance. This number is difficult to get to just flight instructing.

If it's difficult to get just instructing, perhaps you could look around for another way to get it.

It is one of the harder columns to fill as a CFI, but so what? Use the time you spend as a CFI to learn as much as possible. Get your CFII and see if you can get some IFR experience.

This is part of the benefit of the new law. The people who don't care enough to go out and get the experience won't be flying professionally. Not saying that's you, but something to think about.

80ktsClamp 08-14-2012 12:33 PM

Getting 500 hours xc on my way to getting my 1500 while CFIing was zero issue. If you do have an issue, you're doing it wrong.

Moonlighting to get charter work and the like is little problem if youve got any sense in networking!


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