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hockeypilot44 08-13-2012 02:39 AM
Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1244500)
Fail to see the correlation in pointing out errors of mainline and me wanting to never work there. My point is this, there is many folks jumping on a bandwagon to throw these guys under the bus. This is an example for everyone to learn from, no matter your experience level complacency is dangerous.
You put your company up on a pedestal. I understand that it's your first airline job, but the truth is your airline is such a bad job that most people don't even consider it a real 121 airline. It's more of a glorified 135 operation run with old planes and inexperienced pilots that no one else wants.

rightside02 08-13-2012 04:23 AM
I agree with some of the above bashes to silver airways. How ever coming from 9E with no upgrade in site , I made the move for a left seat offer. Most places could care less were you got the PIC as long as you have some. The silver versus prior gulfstream has changed vastly, they hired a lot of former pinnacle and Colgan guys etc that have a good background. mistakes will continue to be made , hopefully not as embarrassing as landing at the wrong airport, but no one can't sit here and bash every person who had something to do with gulfstream / silver . Every airline has had there share , both regional level and major .

80ktsClamp 08-13-2012 08:23 AM
Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1244483)
Completely agree (and I'm a current "Silver Stream" pilot). I wouldnt call it a correlation, but Gulfstream is definitely a common denominator in the previously listed regional accidents. Dont get me wrong, there are in my opinion a lot of great guys/pilots here. But Gulfstream, and all regionals nonetheless, dont teach you how to not be an idiot. It's is assumed that you know how to be a mature professional pilot when you show up to class. Pass your tests and checkride, and you make it to the line. Is Gulfstream's training the reason why the guys in the Pinnacle 3701 accident flamed out/core locked both engines at FL410 and crashed? Of course not. But I'd agree that the younger, lower time pilot group that the Stream attracts will make it more likely that idiots like this(pardon the term) will slip through the cracks later on in their career and possibly take other peoples lives... Mistakes will happen, but I think HR 5900 definitely could help mitigate them.
Moreso, those pilots went there when gulfstream had the pay 25000 dollars to sit right seat of a Beech 1900 for 250 hrs and shortcut your career program. The common denominator is those attracted to those sorts of programs.

Counselor 08-13-2012 10:29 AM
Originally Posted by SiShane (Post 1244493)
I think hr5900 is good for the industry but why haven't they put out a grandfather clause yet? Seems like none of regionals know what they are gonna do with hiring.
Gonna be a disaster. In 2007-2009 when Eagle was hiring at 300-400 TT, they couldn't get bodies in the door. Eagle's pilot forum would report every Monday how many actually showed up for newhire FO classes. If it was tough to get bodies at 400 TT, what's going to happen when age-65 retirements create vacancies at majors, but regionals can only fill their places with 1500-hour ATP's?

sandrich 08-13-2012 10:48 AM
Originally Posted by Counselor (Post 1244781)
Gonna be a disaster. In 2007-2009 when Eagle was hiring at 300-400 TT, they couldn't get bodies in the door. Eagle's pilot forum would report every Monday how many actually showed up for newhire FO classes. If it was tough to get bodies at 400 TT, what's going to happen when age-65 retirements create vacancies at majors, but regionals can only fill their places with 1500-hour ATP's?
*in typical deep movie trailer voice* "In a world, where pilots are faced by an uncertain future. Where planes will sit empty on the ramp. Where schedulers wont have anyone to call. It is...the end of the regional airline industry as the world knows it today. People will call this day the Armageddon of low time pilots. HR 5900. In theaters August 1st, 2013. Rated R for nudity"

skylover 08-13-2012 11:07 AM
Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1244795)
*in typical deep movie trailer voice* "In a world, where pilots are faced by an uncertain future. Where planes will sit empty on the ramp. Where schedulers wont have anyone to call. It is...the end of the regional airline industry as the world knows it today. People will call this day the Armageddon of low time pilots. HR 5900. In theaters August 1st, 2013. Rated R for nudity"
A film by Roger Cohen; A GoJetzzz Inc. Production

coryk 08-13-2012 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by Counselor (Post 1244781)
Gonna be a disaster. In 2007-2009 when Eagle was hiring at 300-400 TT, they couldn't get bodies in the door. Eagle's pilot forum would report every Monday how many actually showed up for newhire FO classes. If it was tough to get bodies at 400 TT, what's going to happen when age-65 retirements create vacancies at majors, but regionals can only fill their places with 1500-hour ATP's?
+1. I'm sure something will happen to weaken the bill. All the people for HR5900 and increasing the mins can moan and complain all the want. But in DC, money talks. You'd have to be an idiot to think that the RAA, regional airlines (and majors) won't do everything they can ($$) and make sure the requirements stay lower. Not because cheap labor is better for business, but they need to make sure they have a steady flow of bodies coming in to fly their airplanes. Washington reacted with a bill to help safety, but when the airlines start screaming that they won't have bodies to fly their airplanes, Washington is going react to that as well.

mobius27 08-13-2012 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by Counselor (Post 1244781)
If it was tough to get bodies at 400 TT, what's going to happen when age-65 retirements create vacancies at majors, but regionals can only fill their places with 1500-hour ATP's?
The FAA will be "forced" to create a multi crew license, we become the next Europe. Something tells me that that has been a plan of someone's ever since the first legislation passed.

NWA320pilot 08-13-2012 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by mobius27 (Post 1244882)
The FAA will be "forced" to create a multi crew license, we become the next Europe. Something tells me that that has been a plan of someone's ever since the first legislation passed.
There are plenty of qualified pilots within the USA..... If we ever see MCL it will be a long time.

Counselor 08-13-2012 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by mobius27 (Post 1244882)
The FAA will be "forced" to create a multi crew license, we become the next Europe. Something tells me that that has been a plan of someone's ever since the first legislation passed.
What's a multi-crew license?


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