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lolwut 08-11-2012 04:31 PM

Build 1500 hours before going to the airlines??

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Thedude 08-11-2012 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1243947)
Build 1500 hours before going to the airlines??

Sadly, that used to be the defacto standard.....but over the past few years it fell and now the noobs feel screwed because of the the "new" minimum.


sigh.....

JamesNoBrakes 08-11-2012 07:00 PM

Well, what the heck are you going to do now when you need to attract cheap inexperienced pilots to make a start up airline to undercut your old airline that was costing too much?

ShyGuy 08-11-2012 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1243891)
Very well stated.

The CA and FO both had significant career shortcuts, with the CA having been involved in Gulfstream.

Pinnacle 3701, the Pinnacle MKE accident (no one was hurt, but over a million dollars of damage done to the plane), Comair 5191, and this Colgan accident all involved Gulfstreamers.

There shouldn't be a correlation. For most of them, Gulfstream was years before the accident happened. I cannot buy it when one tries to connect attending Gulfstream to an accident years down the road.

lakehouse 08-11-2012 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1244024)
There shouldn't be a correlation. For most of them, Gulfstream was years before the accident happened. I cannot buy it when one tries to connect attending Gulfstream to an accident years down the road.

your saying when comparing the three major RJ airline crashes within a few years, and all three captains are from gulfstream, and its not a link?

:confused:
I guess its why you fly planes.

galaxy flyer 08-11-2012 07:12 PM

ShyGuy

The habits of taking shortcuts, poor knowledge base, poor skills in general develop early and don't go away unless one is in a very competitive, demanding environment.

The AF used to have Red Flag, theory was that most combat losses occurred in the first ten missions, so let's give them that experience BEFORE combat. Losses, about 1-3 per Red Flag, were considered acceptable because, "we'd have lost them anyway in combat". Gradually, politics took some of the losses seriously and made things safer, if less testing. GA can do the same thing. I lost three friends flying checks, freight still weeds out a few each year.

GF

BenS 08-11-2012 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1244023)
Well, what the heck are you going to do now when you need to attract cheap inexperienced pilots to make a start up airline to undercut your old airline that was costing too much?

Well, you now hire people at 1500 hours and pay them $16 bucks an hour because the drool for a regional job will never go away, 500 extra hours won't make the pilot demand more money, nor does it increase the value of the pilot from a management perspective.

Alternatively, regionals could come up with some special part 91 operation (for a profit, of course) and hire 500 hour pilots for $11 an hour because, after all, there would be no other options for said pilot...

JamesNoBrakes 08-11-2012 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by BenS (Post 1244051)
Alternatively, regionals could come up with some special part 91 operation (for a profit, of course) and hire 500 hour pilots for $11 an hour because, after all, there would be no other options for said pilot...

I knew we'd come up with a solution! Oooh!, it could be an "Airline Training Academy", they could buy out the flight instruction business, give the instructors "guaranteed interviews" when they get 1500 and are hiring (which doesn't guarantee a job), it's the perfect $11/hr job, plus, you get to say "I'm a pilot for (insert airline here)". No guarantees for students, but they'd still sign up.

80ktsClamp 08-11-2012 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1244024)
There shouldn't be a correlation. For most of them, Gulfstream was years before the accident happened. I cannot buy it when one tries to connect attending Gulfstream to an accident years down the road.

There is a correlation... you never had to fly with them as your FO! (not all were that way, but too many...)

All the captains in those accidents weren't from gulfstream- the FO on the Comair accident was, not the captain. Both on Pinnacle 3701, the FO on the MKE, FO on Comair, and CA on Colgan.

Cruz5350 08-12-2012 05:45 AM

There must be a daily act of God occuring to keep Gulfstream/Silver pilots from not crashing all the time since they are soooooo bad.


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