Yea, it's not like you people landed at the wrong airport within the first few weeks of operating out of Dulles. Whoops...

Again, it's a pretty far stretch to say those accidents can somehow be attributed to Gulfstream or its training. Especially when it's the FO being ex-Gulfstream in those accidents. I can also pick out several legacy airline crashes with both military pilots at the controls. Want to draw a correlation?

The Comair Captain wasn't Gulfstream. The FO was Gulfstream, but a very long time ago before the accident. And with more flight time than the Captain. The Pinnacle MKE Captain wasn't gulfstream, and the CA made the decisions to continue on that one. As for Colgan, that Captain had numerous failures before and after Gulfstream. It was the system that failed. Besides, he lied on the application and no one caught it. Gulfstream or not, it was fact that Colgan was hiring 500 hr guys.

Gulfstream enables pilots who wouldn't be able to otherwise cut it to buy their way into an airline job. Getting to 1500TT and successfully interviewing is tough and a lot of people can't do it.

It isn't anything to do with Gulfstream's training itself, its that it (and other places like it) allow those on the lower end of the scale to slip through the cracks and become qualified enough to get into an airliner. Not to say there aren't some exceptional pilots that came through Gulfstream, but it also enables those without the natural skill/ability/drive/etc to become a successful airline pilot the chance at being one anyways.

Ok, I think that's fair enough, but I wouldn't draw a correlation and say a statement that these accidents were 'because' of Gulfstream Academy pilots. And Gulfstream was hardly the only low-time option. There are tons more CRJ course operators that allow low time pilots to be hired. Besides, at one point in 2004-2007, some airlines like TSA and Piedmont were basically hiring at Commercial/Inst/ME ratings and 250 hours, with no RJ course.

Hiring? Yes. Sending to the line? No. I think Piedmont was alot like TSA. The training department had no problem washing people out who couldn't hack it at TSA.

I don't believe anyone said the fact the the pilots were from Gulfstream was directly causative, but rather that as lowlut aptly explained, they skipped over important, fundamental skills and knowledge that should have been acquired well before they were ever in the cockpit of a 121 carrier.

That is correct, and that is the problem with cut-outs or tiers to the legislation. 1500 hours, period, end of story. Not a perfect solution (I'd personally prefer a bar or board type system involving a panel as well as several loft type scenarios, which I think would be much more effective - but that's another discussion), but it's a start to raising the experience standards back to a very minimal level.

See above.

shyguy- you missed the point. This post was what I was getting at.

+1, however I do find it ironic that at certain regionals washing out weak people= quality people getting to the line, whereas in the eyes of certain others about Pinnacle and some other airlines, washing out the weak= training dept. not doing their job. :confused:

Both scenarios are plausible.

How about when Delta landed on the taxiway in ATL or NW overshot their destination you can point fingers all you want....