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still no cancellation pay? what a joke.

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Originally Posted by 3662forlife (Post 1251448)

“The proposal includes additional increases to the First Officer scale previously presented to the union…”

You DID get that public memo from the Company and, albeit late (again), from the Union?

http://www.myrjetworkplace.com/wp-co...Pay-Update.pdf

Did not cut & paste for me well, so here's the best table I could come up with:

Current

Year

1 ---- 22.95
2 ---- 30.88
3 ---- 35.52
4 ---- 36.62
5 ---- 36.62
6 ---- 36.62
7+ -- 36.62

Proposed

Year

1 ----- 30
2 ----- 34
3 ----- 37
4 ----- 39
5 ----- 40
6 ----- 41
7+ --- 42

What part of that is ambiguous or confusing?

RAH pilots,

I don't have a dog in this fight, and I really don't know your recent history, but the proposed hourly rates seem to be more or less in line with SKW, AE, XJT. It would be nice if you could top those guys by at least a couple bucks per year. Plus of course the other contractual stuff (cancellation pay etc.)

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Originally Posted by 3662forlife (Post 1251448)

Here's your number (sign) Dude.

Are you stoned or just so buried with Union and Company BS that you miss or disregard information that has already been disclosed?

I don’t know how the Company could have been clearer. They said:

“The proposal includes additional increases to the First Officer scale previously presented to the union…”

You DID get that public memo from the Company and, albeit late (again), from the Union?

http://www.myrjetworkplace.com/wp-co...Pay-Update.pdf

Did not cut & paste for me well, so here's the best table I could come up with:

Current

Year

1 ---- 22.95
2 ---- 30.88
3 ---- 35.52
4 ---- 36.62
5 ---- 36.62
6 ---- 36.62
7+ -- 36.62

Proposed

Year

1 ----- 30
2 ----- 34
3 ----- 37
4 ----- 39
5 ----- 40
6 ----- 41
7+ --- 42

What part of that is ambiguous or confusing?

They said they INCREASED these original proposed (imposed?) rates. You are the one who can't read.

“The proposal includes additional increases to the First Officer scale previously presented to the union…”

The key words here are "additional increases." They didn't just hand the union this old proposal, which was basically just a bump to 1st year pay to sucker new hires to coming here, they increased all those rates. And those rates they increased a few days ago were not disclosed.

Here is your sign back, wear it with pride. You earned it.

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Originally Posted by 3662forlife (Post 1251113)

Well, it’s good news that we’re making progress. I’m sure this isn’t the company’s LBFO, so we can continue Mediation and not worry about being released yet.

It is interesting that the membership gets to read about the day of negotiations from APC and the company’s website before the EBoard or the NC tells us anything. Do we have a communications person or committee? If not, maybe we ought to consider it.

I guess we know what the company’s initial offer for FO’s is, anyone going to say what the “increases in compensation for the majority of our Captains” are? Or will we get to read it here or on the company’s website first?

I volunteer you to be the communication committee. You want it?

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Originally Posted by LevelPar (Post 1252256)

I volunteer you to be the communication committee. You want it?

We mean like I’d get to sit in on the Mediation, be part of the Negotiating Committee discussions, be part of the EBoard discussions, then have DS, CM and Wilder tell me why I can’t tell anyone anything?

Or, could I do all of the above and report the events as they happen, sans editing by either side?

I’m not so interested in the former, which is where we are now, but WAY in on the latter.

When did we start caring what a Mediator or Arbitrator “orders” anyway?

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Originally Posted by 3662forlife (Post 1252297)

Just curious 3662, what pay rates and work rules do you find acceptable? Are our competitors appropriately identified? Is an average seat density of 50-60 seats comparable to one of 80-90 seats? Revenue generation of 76-120 seat aircraft should be about 25% higher than that of 50 seat operators. So do you support paying FOs at RAH 25% higher than our "competitors" who fly smaller aircraft on average?

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Originally Posted by 3662forlife (Post 1252297)

The Mediator and NMB, make the rules. That is what you get when you go to the Government for mediation. You give up a lot when you get to this point in the process. You give up scheduling of meetings. You give up the choice of location of the meetings. You give up flow of information because the NMB says keep you mouth shut or we will put you on ice.

Are you getting the picture now? These are the consequences of going to the NMB. But it is ultimately the path you must take when the company is refusing to make a worthwhile proposal. Go to anyone who knows how negotiations work. Nothing gets done till a deadline is put in place. Look at the NFL refs, they will get a contract when the NFL realizes that their product is getting lousy. Their deadline is coming soon.

So, you still want to be a communications guy? I know some people who could make it happen.