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The prospect of regionals "competing" against each other for mainline flying is a sad, but not new, phenomenon. Regionals have been impersonating other majors for decades.

What is a new phenomenon is a regional impersonating another regional to obtain their mainline flying. This is a new low for the regionals.

If it said "American Eagle Airlines Express" on the side of the planes I'd be less concerned. Being able to separate the company name from those who actually work there is a dangerous door to open.

Next they will simply paint American Airlines on the side of the planes, or Delta Airlines. This will establish a new precedent inthe industry.

Bad link, Rick.

In plain English:

Operating Profit (or loss) in Millions:

Skywest -
2006 - 167,641
2007 - 182,175
2008 - 140,592
2009 - 140,036
2010 - 144,687
2011 - 90,552

AE-
2006 - 185,903
2007 - 185,713
2008 - 86,483
2009 - 152,222
2010 - 152,398
2011 - 93,875

Regional Airlines Salaries (in millions):

Skywest -
2006 - 431,611
2007 - 511,317
2008 - 515,580
2009 - 503,458
2010 - 541,557
2011 - 440,000

AE -
2006 - 486,653
2007 - 505,484
2008 - 488,819
2009 - 478,664
2010 - 505,605
2011 - 411,779

Skywest and AE have nearly identical profits and salaries over the past five years.

Skywest had the highest Salary burden in the Regional Airline business, while AE had the second highest.

AE had the highest Operating profit in the Regional Airline business, and Skywest had gthe second highest Operating Profit.

Both did quite well, DESPITE their high salary burdens.

The only two things this proves are:

1. There is a lot more in play than pilot salaries when deciding who gets a CPA.

AND

2. Pilots should never vote in a pay decrease.

LOL. Where did you come up with this? Did you dream this, wake up next to the computer, get on APC then rant off incoherent babble?
ASA is flying the CRJ out of DFW, not the LXJT guys in the 145.

Also, MatchPoint is correct in his statements, as stated before: show us anyone in a better position than SkyW/ASA/XJT. Until you do, you sir are the dbag. Look at their stock, 2x higher and then some above RJET. They are the only regional company that has issued dividends consecutively over the past decade+. Yes the stock has dipped quite a bit, so has everyone else's. I'd speculate that the SKYW stock is in he best position, relatively speaking, to go up in value.

Based on your statements you sound like your a pinnacle/RJET/goJetssss guy who wishes he was at SkyW/XJET

They took r jerbs!(mine is probably next), and the SKYW stock has nearly doubled in the last 3 months. I left eagle 8 years ago, it has never been on the up and up there.

True.

However, just be be accurate, the salaries listed above are actually a total compensation burden for the entire airline - all employees and all pay and benefits, not just the pilots.

Really guys. C'mon now. Please don't gloat. It's just not the classy thing to do.

A good friend of mine is a senior check airman with SKW. He has never exhibited the "mine is bigger than yours" attitude some of you guys display. In fact, he was the first to call and say sorry that this happened (I live out there, and while I am not based there right now - currently ORD CRJ - I was hoping to get back eventually. I guess it won't be happening now). His QOL stands to improve dramatically, but he didn't gloat. He called to say "sorry this happened, man". Class.

He's right when he stated that we work in a cannibalistic segment of the industry.

How many ATR bases does eagle/executive currently have and what are they?

Does AMR plan to park all the ATRs or only a signifcant portion?

Thanks for the advice, most of us have gotten pretty good at being angry with AMR at this point. And now you can too, give it a few months. The flying is supposed to replace ATR routes, you'll need the nourishment from those nachos flying a 20+ leg 4 day. Enjoy.

However long it shouldn't matter, 10 years is sufficient to realize how this works and not gripe about it when it happens to you. Because everyone wins some then later loses some in this industry.

And if anybody has been in this 25 years, then they only have themselves to blame for their current situation with the regionals, as 25 years should have been more then enough time to make a move out of the regionals elsewhere.

How do you figure? They will probably have to do a displacement bid. Why would anyone want to commute from the east coast to dfw when they have atl?

Our current Delta 200 flying is mostly what the brasilia and ATRs flew so we are well aware of 7 leg days and 20+ leg 4 days. You guys really need to grab a brew and lay off APC for a bit

So easy to be condescending and preachy when YOU are the one gaining flying, isn't it?

Class. Some have it. Some do not.

Guys, I think we're all missing the point here: at least it wasn't GoJetsssss.

Expressjet skywest RULES!
You guys are funny

It is easy to sit outside of somebody's life and cast judgement, but things are not always as they seem. If you found yourself with 18 days off a month making 100k a year and kids at home, you might, also, be remiss to move on to uncertainty. We have a training captain who was hired at United twice. The first time was when he had about 10 years in at ASA. Before he left his class was cancelled and his friends who had gone before him got furloughed. Then he got hired again, and September 11th happened before he left, and again, his friends who went before him were furloughed. Now he has about 20+ years or so of seniority and a bunch of kids at home. If he takes a job with a major now, his income gets cut in half. What would you do? Not so easy anymore.

BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! 5 yrs? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Try oh about 15!

So I take it someone else told you he said this?

Amazing.......I've been off these forms for a few years and come back to the same old crap.......

The L-XJT contract makes it extremely expensive for the company to open a new base, also The CRJ side just lost a considerable amount of DAL flying, so the crews and A/C are already in place. I am happy the ASA side got the flying, mergers where one side of the house gets all new flying/growth never makes for a happy merger......

And did your MEC a couple of years ago when JA met with them say that they would take the ASA CBA?

I know. Man, I don't know WHY I come back here. I'll take a few years off, then take a peak, and it's like I'm a moth drawn to the flame.

I think I'll take along break again. Better for the soul.

There are many very senior ASA CAs who commute from DFW to ATL. There used to be a ASA DFW base. I believe it closed around 2004.

Nope, read it first-hand on on the xjet.com story from BH. His initials are JD.

So many hurt feelings on this board. While I do agree it sucks that AE will be closing a domicile, I find it overly dramatic how some are acting around here. Was this latest news not expected? Hasn't AMR said in the recent past this would happen? All you AE guys and gals are acting as if you are furloughing hundreds and that Skywest Inc. stepped in and undercut everyone. Unfortunately this is what has become of the regional industry. I know it's sad some pilots will be displaced at AE. So is the name of the game. At my past airline, they opened and closed bases like it was fun for them to watch the pilots squirm. I very, very, very rarely heard another pilot say, "I feel bad for you." or "I am sorry this happened." And all this was going on while furloughing! In the words of so many in the U.S. today, "Just be happy you still have a job!" Hundreds of thousands don't.

Lame...... (filler):cool:

I agree. Who posted that lameness? :cool::eek: I am just getting tired of how the ExpressJet pilots are expected to apologize for this flying, even though it doesn't cause furloughs and it prevents them at ExpressJet. Do you honestly believe that the next time you have an AE jumpseater catching a ride home they would have givin 1 iota of a care about us furloughing because of the Delta reduction? Been there, Done that!

Try to understand this. Your airplanes will be painted in American EAGLE colors. NOT American Connection. That is an airline we worked hard many years for. So it's not just that your flying AA/AE passengers.

I know we got the airplanes from TranStates so maybe you will be joining our company and seniority list. Be sure our union is looking into this.

Try to understand your infecting a company many of us worked hard for.

THIS.

AS much as it sucks LAX is closing, this is the part that angers me the most of all the news recently (if I was LAX based, it might be different).

The last few posts show just how far this profession has fallen. It's now at the point the pawns don't even recognize their role on the chess board anymore and actually gleefully advocate the parasitic world they've been indoctrinated in. The regional industry will be an absolute dystopian nightmare in 5 years littered with drooling cannabalisic zombie-like dregs roaming the night in constant battle over each others scraps of flesh.

In fact, this horror show will be so fascinating, I think I'll be able to cancel my cable and watch it full-time. :eek:

Was this really necessary.

Sorry Eagle guys for what is happening. Wish you guys the best of luck. This and a lot of other things are out of the control of a daily line pilot and I am sure if not all, most of you understand that. Hope that someday you guys will recover the flying. Good Luck.

Yeah, it kind of surprises me in a way too. But when you look at the caliber of people the airlines have been having to hire in the last few years, I guess it shouldn't. I even kind of felt bad when we (Eagle) took our ten airplanes back from TSA and caused them to furlough, and those were ours to begin with.

We've been proud to fly around with our actual company name painted on the plane and not in a little "operated by" note on the door. I guess we might as well forget about that and just revel in joining the rest of the subcontractor industry and start hoping to grab anybodies flying we can.

:confused::confused::confused:
So many regional pilots are dumb.

Exhibit B.

Anyhow, remind me how many Eagle pilots are "loosing" their jobs because xjet pilots get to keep theirs?

While these posts may be slightly overly dramatic, the fact that you can't see the big picture leads me to believe that you are one of those regional pilots you speak so highly of.

All this hostility I'm thinking you guys ought to have a little battle alla anchorman!

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Yeap, now you're subcontracting REGIONAL flying. Never thought I 'd see the day where regionals were flying for other regionals. American Airlines operated by American Eagle operated by SkyWest operated by ExpressJet. Priceless.

Exactly.

He assumes the first flash of the camera is the whole picture. In order for job losses to occur, first you must have someone in place to make that happen. He'll eventually be in the same boat if he already hasn't and then we'll see if still finds that camera flash so dazzling.

I'll bet not and will be complaining like Tara Reid running from the paparazzi. :cool:

Get used to it, as it is the future. Periodically, every 4-5 years you will have to be willing to roll your compensation back to keep your job, upgrade, airplanes, etc.

The whipsaw model will be THE model for the regional industry.

And it's an unsustainable model. Even Skywest's CEO is quoted stating that they've had to turn down flying because they lose money on it. The regionals continue to cut each others throats just to win the contracts. I'm not sure they can just do the BK, clean slate, rinse cycle repeatedly just to maintain the business. The regionals are at a turning point, & the business model is changing drastically IMO.

My apologies to all Eagle pilots that are upset by this, but welcome to the world. If ASA did not get this CPA, they would be furloughing in the near future- so if we feel happy or relieved by the news , perhaps you can understand why. And yes, some might be really happy, but for those displaced out of DFW 8 or 9 years ago and commuting, this is a little bit of very good news.

Some of you talk like you are the only pilots to ever face a bad deal.

We have had furloughs, we have had multiple base closings and displacements. Upgrades are 7yrs and will continue to climb. We have seen "our" flying get underbid by RAH, PCL, G7, Etc. This is the world we have lived in since about 2006. While I am sorry that you have to now face the SUCK that is the regional airline model after so many years of being isolated from the whipsaw, I dont think this is the last bit of bad news you will get in your time at AE. Sorry.