Eagle to hire 400pilots 2013
 

Straight from the recruiting department.

Just be aware...airlines usually hire all up to the day the furlough notices go out.

Okay, so we know, supposedly, WHERE you got this from. but HOW did you get this? Went to a career fair? word of mouth? on an AE website? Made it up?


exactly. also could be a tactic of theirs to make us think to vote YES to get rid of all chances of evil.

Then senior management must be lying in negotiations, why do I say this?
LAX goes skywest, 11 aircraft means excess 99 pilots.
ATR returning to lessor 25 aircraft for 225 excess pilots, makes on these two items 324 excess pilots.

Management says AA will increase there contract feed with other carriers, which means a reduction in flying at the current AE, so I would ask where is the flying coming from if AE has 324 excess pilots and wants to hire 400 in 2013?

The 324 plus 400 for total 724 pilots equates to 80 aircraft being introduced to the current AE airlines without any parking of other aircraft.

So why is ALPA willing to push a poor contract on the pilots at AE?

Those LAX aircraft are all going to MIA - if you saw the latest vacancy bid you can see how that does not net a loss of pilots.

As far as where this came from, one of the many official sources was a letter sent by N.A. in the hiring department to all furloughed pilots who have been recalled.

But like you, many of us are still confused why there is a plan to hire so many more pilots. The general consensus from the union (fwiw) is it is to cover attrition which has been on the order of 20-30/month and is expected to continue or increase as hiring else where picks up.

Straight from the Hiring manager.

where are the 20-30 pilots leaving AE for?
they have been throwing the 20-30 number around for 20 years.

But ONLY if you vote YES. ;) :D

Ugh. This is sad. Are there even 400 pilots willing to work at Eagle starting from the bottom? What are they gonna do when the well runs dry, take them from mainline?

........who is a management lackey. They want to ensure a positive outlook so the TA will pass, thus throwing handfuls of verbal sugar out to the pilots is in their interest.

If you lick it, you'll find it wasn't sugar at all but sawdust spray-painted white. :eek:

It's true that were looking for 400. However most of it is due to FTDT and expected flow to AA.

BTW, he mentioned something along the lines of replacing mainline flying with regional flying.

Big deal! So a regional airline is hiring,nothing to get excited about.

hahahahahahahahahahahah

Sure, that will happen to some degree, so that's nothing new. Your CRJ-900 (if you can even hold it) will be shinier then your current saddle, but you won't be a dime richer for the privilege. In fact, with inflation and health care, you'll be poorer.

But, it's good for you, so I say "enjoy" ! :rolleyes:

Yep, at least half with numbers won't be flowing, so you might get a hundred pilots there. The 824 (if Parker doesn't wax that) won't be going anytime soon as there are hundreds of recalls as well. If they do get to the 824 and that doesn't vaporize down the road, they be much more junior which means 500-600 senior pilots won't be moving up anytime soon and will wallow under PBS with their current seniority.

That's if AA even hires. Since as RJ pilot claims mainline will be shrinking, then I expect NO transfers to AA for years and well, you get the picture...........:cool:

Some people are so out of touch with reality it's funny.

Where can u be based with AE if someones gets hired... and guys i know i am going to probabbly regret this but. I would love to hear peoples opinions going forward about the airline

My guess would be MIA DFW and ORD.

Well, ORD, LGA/JFK (soon to be a "co-domicile"), MIA and DFW. Junior bases will probably be the LGA/JFK and possibly ORD. MIA and DFW are going to go senior probably as the LAX guys displace there. ORD CRJ may go senior as well since it has overnights in LAX.

Oh yeah, there is also SJU but that is also going away.

The reason Eagle is going to need to hire is for multiple issues. First, FTDT is going to increase the demand of the number of pilots needed to staff the current fleet plan. The future fleet plan requires fewer pilots. The union reps have been given permission to discuss how to calculate the fleet plan for Eagle without divulging it outright. Regardless of what you calculated (should be roughly 230 aircraft), the reason the announcement to hire came at the same time that the announcement of base closures etc. is due to the fact that the EMB140's that we have on property were NOT part of the original fleet plan calculation. AMR however has told Eagle mgt that we would be keeping the 140's and flying them out of MIA and DFW which will require additional staffing. It likely caught EGL mgt off guard as it was not anticipated that the 140's were going to stick around. Why are they sticking around? No clue other than that the 135's have value with Embrear as they can be retro fitted to become a corporate Legacy whereas the 140 was designed specifically for Eagle and apparently does not hold the same value with Embrear (ie they don't want them back) so AMR decided to continue to fly them.

Go in with your eyes open. There's going to be a lot of stagnation from the senior pilots who won't flow to AA because of economics. A hundred pilots with current numbers may flow to AA at some point in the future, but the rest are too old to go to a major if they start hiring. This will put a lot of pressure on this carrier to be competitive in the future as they'll still have a longevity problem like what's happening at Pinnacle. Their management may be fooling themselves if they think they'll trim a steady number of pilots from the top, when in reality if the "824" provision survives, it would be junior captains and F/O's. Since this carrier is highly likely to shrink because of the above described financial pressure and the independent desire for whipsawing, one should be extremely cautious about developing any dependency on long-term rewarding employment.

Many who go here may not realize that until they are there and things begin shaking out, so this carrier will have an additional stress of high attrition from the bottom resulting in further uncompetitive cost disadvantages. I think even with the TA provisions, this carrier will have a serious time competing with "younger" carriers and could become a Comair or Pinnacle. If you need 121 time though and you get an offer, it may be as good a place as any to get 500-1000 hours of jet time and as long as you don't risk too long of a commitment and pass up a better gig, so that may work out for you.

My advice is to keep your expectations low and your eye to your next move before you make too much of a commitment. You don't want to be stuck in a dead end rut still and F/O at a dying regional 5 or 7 years from now. Learn from those who've made that mistake.

PBS will cancel out much of the FTDT regs as Eagle was in compliance with most anyway already. A 2 for 1 swap for larger EMB's very well may go to another carrier (at least some). Once AMR divests, any favoritism for what will soon be a renamed carrier is likely to wane quickly. Whipsaw and bottom line costs will rule and current senior Eagle pilots won't be running for the AA turn style, thus expect little relief for the future owners in competitive labor cost structure.The E-135's are dog tired high cycle birds that aren't that likely to be fetching to corporate operators regardless of the quality of lipstick. Look for a fairly short tenure in third world service to finish out their limited lifespans.

Oh......and try not to guzzle the Kool-Aid you're being constantly plied with too ravenously. That's a recipe for subsequent gas, bloating, projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea. ;)

what is the upgrade time at Eagle nowadays

The numbers are scary high and increasing, but they get to fly airplanes! :rolleyes:

Just a guess but I would say 10ish years. Depending on what AA does.

I think YOUR out of touch. We'll have 797s by the time AA takes flow throughs.

Grammar Nazi in 3.2.1....

You must of stayed at a Holiday Inn Express to come up with all that **** ****.

Is your name Tim Martins by any wild chance?

Want to make a bet on that?

Upgrade time at Eagle is close to what it is at SkyWest, ExpressJet and Republic, give or take...

Why would Eagle get -900s? Even with concessions it would seem that SkyWest, TSH or Republic could operate those larger RJs for less.

AMR is in bankruptcy to lower their costs, right?

If AMR is still attempting to divest Eagle it would make sense, but what other good reasons exist(besides a US merger)?

You just said the reason.

How many people would reconsider applying here if the TA passed? Did not pass? Don't care, would come anyway?

Wait?? The super senior guys in LAX who can displace to any base are all going to MIA, the furthest and least daily flight destination???? One of us is out of the loop on this one??

I think new hire classes will be mainly MIA through years end, since it has the most openings, and seems to have tapped the well dry on people who want to come here. MIA NYC ORD will be main openings with DFW sprinkled in. Right now NY is FAT on FOs, ORD and soon MIA will be the place thats low, with some DFW. Just my crystal ball.

You will be surprized. Lots of the guys, including the former chief, are going to move to MIA since it has the most similar weather to LA all year. I know a few, including the #3 CA, who will commute because his relative seniority is better, he will be #2 in MIA. The commute is actually easier to MIA than DFW or ORD because there aren't as many commuters and even if it is full it's all 757s and widebodies so the jumpseat is actually better than a middle seat in the back. As the ATR retires the MIA and SJU guys will go to MIA EMJ.

Good advice EagleFly, I served 7+ years and was so fed up that I left right after I upgraded. It's a terrible rut, it seemed like AA would do anything to keep Eagle pilots out. It turned me into an angry person sometimes, so I left after doubling my salary. Good move? I'll get back to you in 34 years. Remember, senior CA's have made 85-120k for the last 10 years with weekends off and 5 weeks of vacation, so they will tell you that you're crazy to leave Eagle in a few years. Many of these senior guys chose to stay at eagle, but many were unable to leave due to financial reasons and interview issues. Do what feels right dude.

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LAX went really junior for Captains at SkyWest.(summer 06' hire date). Think it surprised most people.. Sucks for all my Eagle buds. I was one of the Eagle LAX guys before i left... But its all a game....

The same weather, you mean 95 and 95% humidity 180 days a year....and 85 and 90% humidity 90 days a year, and 75 and 85% humidity 90 days a year......yea I see 25% in common.

The only thing I see the same, is the traffic, and lack of driving skills.

I welcome anyone who wants to come here, but trans-cons commutes, and moving to S. FL because it sounds like LA, is nothing but a pipe dream.

Also considering almost all the airplanes are going to MIA, I can bet that MIA will be the bulk of the upcoming new hire classes.