Originally Posted by meesq (Post 1301702)

No, sorry to say it won't. Those are the cold hard facts. But the alternative is being a puppet in a play between DL mgmt and DALPA. Personally, I'm sick of it. DALPA sold all ALPA regionals out with their latest contract. [I hope one of them doesn't come on here and with violins playing tells me how this is *all* so good for the industry. Spare me - it was their own wallets that they were concerned with.]
The writing is on the wall for Pinnacle. There is nothing that can be done. Take the TA and see your company go bust anyhow. That is what is going to happen. DAL can give any of it's flying now to the non-union, substandard QOL airlines that are out there. And you can sure bet that is what the intend to do. DAL pilots got a pay raise, that means everyone else needs to take pay cut. How does that happen with ALPA regional carriers - get rid of ALPA regional carriers. Pinnacle is next.
It sucks no matter how you look at it. You will have to find a way to provide for your family. All of us Comair folks are doing it. It'll be rough for most, but you'll make it.

Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 (Post 1301699)

Ummm...have you actually READ the GoJet contract; because you are dead wrong. It's not stellar but it's NOTHING compared to what is being offered to you.

Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1301729)

Provide some facts to support that babble. Tell us how the contract specifically hosed ALPA regionals. There is NOTHING in the most recent DAL pilots contract specific to ALPA regionals. DALPA has no control over the DCI shuffle game. Give me a specific example of a pilot group that does control that.

Originally Posted by TenYearsGone (Post 1301740)

Dont feed into Meesq. I have pity for 9e folks. I hate their mngmt with a passion. A Larry Risely or Ornstein type mngmt breeds this ignorance and hatred.

As for Meesq, he is lucky for D/N ALPA. Without D/N ALPA, Pinnacle woud have never existed in the first place. What this Meesq seems to forget is that shiny RJ he flies was a direct job transfered to him from a mainline pilot that got furloughed.

Meesq never paid his dues, he just was lucky enough to get hired a lowbidding and growing airline like Pinnacle, while his Mainline counterparts were getting sacked.

TEN

Mainline pilots got furloughed so you can fly a shiny jet for substandard wages, never forget that.

TEN

Originally Posted by fatsopilot (Post 1301788)

You can place the blame where you want however you hit the nail right on the head, without Delta/NW there never would have been a Pinnacle in the first place. Pinnacle pilots would have gone straight to Delta/NW or other career carries and this mess would have never happened. It is what it is now and it would be nice if ALPA could come up to some solution to the race to the bottom. What kind of backwards world do we live in where experience in the cockpit is a liability?

Originally Posted by fatsopilot (Post 1301788)

You can place the blame where you want however you hit the nail right on the head, without Delta/NW there never would have been a Pinnacle in the first place. Pinnacle pilots would have gone straight to Delta/NW or other career carries and this mess would have never happened. It is what it is now and it would be nice if ALPA could come up to some solution to the race to the bottom. What kind of backwards world do we live in where experience in the cockpit is a liability?

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1301673)

Will mainline pilots see our stand and be inspired to take their own stand on scope; That's all that matters. GoJets has a much worse contract than the 9E 1113(c) term sheet.

Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 1301802)

What the heck are you smoking?

Originally Posted by Will (Post 1301664)

Is pride going to my bills and insure my family. I would rather leave on my terms. And for those that want this place to burn just quit and let me be in charge of my own destiny.

Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1301739)

My current monthly pay under the three contracts:
9E now: $6393.75
9E term sheet: $5847.75
GoJet: $5460.00

Gojet is worse in every way, sorry.