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Old 12-05-2012 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by UCLAbruins
Delta is doing well, those pilots have a good contract, good salaries.
Depends on who you ask...the pilots want more, some of those guys over there have lost 50% of what they used to have. I'm glad they are finally starting to see the return come back to normal.

The thing that most scares me about Delta is how much money they have spent. I hope the oil refinery pans out, it was a bold, smart, and risky move. For every dollar they spend 43 cents is borrowed. More than any other airline in the US. Southwest is the lowest around 5-10 cents. Delta may look good on the outside, but it's the inside that has me worried. They consistently take money out on loan to pay for other loans, while things are getting better, they are paying close to 500 million a year just in interest. They are risking the farm right now that fuel prices don't go up and the industry continues to stay steady.

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Old 12-05-2012 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by djrogs03
Depends on who you ask...the pilots want more, some of those guys over there have lost 50% of what they used to have. I'm glad they are finally starting to see the return come back to normal.

The thing that most scares me about Delta is how much money they have spent. I hope the oil refinery pans out, it was a bold, smart, and risky move. For every dollar they spend 43 cents is borrowed. More than any other airline in the US. Southwest is the lowest around 5-10 cents. Delta may look good on the outside, but it's the inside that has me worried. They are risking the farm right now that fuel prices don't go up and the industry continues to stay steady.
Just because delta isn't going out and buying billions of dollars worth of "more efficient" airplanes doesn't exactly mean delta isn't "efficient". Instead delta is buying aircraft for pennies on the dollar compared to the competition and the efficiency is built into our network of our own repair facilities and refineries. The oil refinery is beating expectations and our aircraft while not the "latest and greatest" are for the most part paid for and we avoid massive payments on the planes which can be put into other areas of "efficiency". Truth is delta is being run better than just about any other airline right now and making good money.
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Old 12-05-2012 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Just because delta isn't going out and buying billions of dollars worth of "more efficient" airplanes doesn't exactly mean delta isn't "efficient". Instead delta is buying aircraft for pennies on the dollar compared to the competition and the efficiency is built into our network of our own repair facilities and refineries. The oil refinery is beating expectations and our aircraft while not the "latest and greatest" are for the most part paid for and we avoid massive payments on the planes which can be put into other areas of "efficiency". Truth is delta is being run better than just about any other airline right now and making good money.
I agree that Delta is being run well. But like I said the Balance sheet still worries me. They just scored a B2 which means that they have a high "credit risk". Like I said they are doing the right things but, they still have a long way to go. They are about to purchase more airplanes next month, and have more coming, not to mention the fleet startegy with Airbus and Boeing costs alot more in MX. They are making good investments, but things in the industry need to stay steady. One of the big reasons they are reducing capacity is to help pay this long term debt down...The only other company that had a higher debt to equity ratio than Delta was Pinnacle before it went bankrupt...you can blame the bad business deals on the Q's for that one...
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Old 12-22-2012 | 12:29 PM
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What is the credit score for Pinnacle now and when/if they emerge from bankruptcy?
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