Wow this thread went south real fast...

Got MEMbrained... Ok, one more inciting post on here, MEM, and another infraction for you.

back to the discussion at hand!

I'm no mod, and I'm just a piddly little puddle jumper. But somewhere I learned, "Praise in public, chastise in private." Apparently, my teaching was wrong.

But, as you say, back to the subject at hand....

IMHO, promises of flow through or preferential interviews are up there with "the check is in the mail", "I'll respect you in the morning", and "I won't c** in your mouth."

But what do I know? I am not one of aviation's golden children, and I hate hats.

That's about right. I have a lot of friends still at 9E, so I have a very vested interest in this. Anyone with any hope for a flow is just dreaming. At the very "best" will be a guaranteed interview, which, when it comes down to it, I will be ok with.

Some of the senior guys are great (one of the absolute best has never left to my knowledge- ability to party on layovers makes the top 5 easily... and in the cockpit straight forward, enjoyable and standard), but somehow never got the chance (perhaps due to never applying, you dummy)... several come to mind.

Yes, RM- if you ever tried to launch golf balls above you on the approaching airplane at the golf course in LAN, that dummy is you. Look me up on facebook.

There are several others, WW, TL, and TK among the quick recall.

There should be at least 3 "s's" per airplane they operate haha :D

So you're entitled to the job?

Just how big of a fish are you looking to catch here? I'm not entitled to anything. It's a hypothetical scenario. If there were a flow, would my seniority hold it? Do I meet the criteria? Is my background clean? Can I pass the training and perform the duties? Questions such as these should've been answered before I ever started flying for a regional. Unless you feel that there should be multiple levels of safety? You shouldn't have guys flying at regionals who could not move on IF they so desire. In my opinion, it would be a win-win for all involved.

A flow isn't going to happen, but I'll play.

There shouldn't be multiple levels of safety, but there are. Being a pinnacle pilot, you should realize that they function on a much lower level- if you don't, perhaps you aren't qualified to move on.

Okay, I will play too. I do not now, or have I ever, based any career decisions upon a current or would be flow opportunity. What exactly do you mean by lower level? I've been privileged enough to be in the jumpseat on DAL, and while being line checked, the glorius, double-breasted captain, seemed to have forgotten his medical certificate and his company manuals were more than 2 revisions behind. I couldn't help but feel sorry for the guy. It could happen to anybody right? Not sure what happened during the debrief, didn't stick around. But to me, that seemed pretty "low-level".

That would have resulted in a "situation B," which are extremely rare. I hope you played the lottery that night.

You remember I'm sure when 9E checkride busts were at 50%. You've had to fight with mx control over the numerous deferrals on your airplane. You've had to haggle with crew scheduling who are trying to give you illegal rest. That doesn't happen (or is exceedingly rare) at higher functioning carriers. Cut the pride and realize how things are at 9E.

Good thing that my moving on isn't dependent upon your discretion. I keep my nose relatively clean and my qualifications will speak for themselves when it's time for me to move on. Nice stab by the way... How old are you, 11? If your moderating ability is any indication of what it takes to work at DAL, then consider me severely underqualified.

Ahh yes, the pressure of completion factor. I remember when Delta canceled all mainline flights to ORD/MDW one winter day a few years ago. Sure enough, we were still forced to go, absolutely crazy.

81 900's 0 200's. starting summer 2013

Haha we don't keep a single 200. Oh freakin well, nothing surprises me anymore!

So, about 850 pilots total. Wow.

Yeah with over 2000 pilots in the group...this will be very hard to pass...PNCL is about to go down in flames with my vote to help it! Management won't make a dime off of me. I hope you all have a backup plan (I've been working on mine for about 2 years now)...best of luck.

From what i understand at Mesaba it would be just diff training, real short but with pinnacle its full blown training to go from 200 to 900? Is it even possible to train all those pilots in that short of time parking over half the airline fleet?

All the 200's are not going to leave at once. A lot can happen between now and the time the last 200 leaves in 2015, 3 years. Look what all has happened at this company in 3 years. Nobody predicted this, and nobody can predict accurately what this company will look like in 3 years if this TA passes.

What strikes me is it took months to clear the "under brush" and only a few days to clear the big items. The TA will reveal who flinched first during this stand off.

Don't panic, in 3 years if 30 pilots leave a month that equals 1080 which is about how many we will need.

I'm with you. Let it burn. Been here 5 1/2 years.

No one?


I think a couple made these predictions.

i agree, im voting NO - this airline has screwed so many its time to return the favor.

I think he is saying three years ago.