PCL TA Reached. all 200's gone
12-17-2012, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
I don't see all the -200s leaving, honestly.
12-17-2012, 02:59 PM
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Ok, let me get this straight. Pinnacle now has 2,300 pilots and will reduce to 800 pilots "IF" this TA passes?
So if 1,500 pilots are losing their job, why would they want to vote YES to a concessionary TA? Wouldn't you just vote no, and not let the industry average be brought down for your next job?
So if 1,500 pilots are losing their job, why would they want to vote YES to a concessionary TA? Wouldn't you just vote no, and not let the industry average be brought down for your next job?
12-17-2012, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinchanickled
Ok, let me get this straight. Pinnacle now has 2,300 pilots and will reduce to 800 pilots "IF" this TA passes?
So if 1,500 pilots are losing their job, why would they want to vote YES to a concessionary TA? Wouldn't you just vote no, and not let the industry average be brought down for your next job?
So if 1,500 pilots are losing their job, why would they want to vote YES to a concessionary TA? Wouldn't you just vote no, and not let the industry average be brought down for your next job?
Pretty sure the spin will be that it gives them longer to find another gig. Honestly, if I were still there, I'd nuke it from orbit. Notice they haven't said if MEM will close or not. MOST of the old skool 9E guys that would still be employed after this are MEM guys.
12-17-2012, 03:05 PM
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All of the language hasn't been released yet. The email did mention cost savings while preserving a future for Pinnacle pilots. Plus senior DL mgt was present during these negotiations. I don't think Wychor would try to sell voting in concessions and a massive shrink down if there wasn't some upside for us. As mentioned, the drawdown will be gradual into 2015. Lets wait and see what the final language says. That's my plan anyway.
12-17-2012, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
All of the language hasn't been released yet. The email did mention cost savings while preserving a future for Pinnacle pilots. Plus senior DL mgt was present during these negotiations. I don't think Wychor would try to sell voting in concessions and a massive shrink down if there wasn't some upside for us. As mentioned, the drawdown will be gradual into 2015. Lets wait and see what the final language says. That's my plan anyway.
I don't think "senior Delta management" being there is necessarily a good thing for 9E. They're trying to adhere to the mainline TA the cheapest way possible. They have to park 50 seaters, and this is a HUGE opportunity for them. If you're holding out hope for a flow through, I wouldn't hold my breathe. They've already said pretty much nil on the 2013 hiring. That pretty much gives close to 2000 guys a year to scramble up the ladder. The top few guys might make it before they hit the streets, but most will either be elsewhere or out altogether by the time the mass exodus starts.
12-17-2012, 03:16 PM
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Looks like TW and his super senior buddies managed to throw 60% of your pilots under the bus after all.
If you guys approve a grossly concessionary contract to "save your jobs for a few months" don't come to us looking for recommendations when you finally get cut off. I'd rather recommend a GoJetZZZZ pilot.
If you guys approve a grossly concessionary contract to "save your jobs for a few months" don't come to us looking for recommendations when you finally get cut off. I'd rather recommend a GoJetZZZZ pilot.
12-17-2012, 03:17 PM
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I'm not holding out for it, but I just think there has to be more to this "agreement" than has been mentioned thus far. There is no upside to us voting for paycuts and losing the majority of our fleet and jobs. I certainly could be wrong. I'm just saying I personally will wait and see the final language before I jump out the window.
12-17-2012, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Looks like TW and his super senior buddies managed to throw 60% of your pilots under the bus after all.
If you guys approve a grossly concessionary contract to "save your jobs for a few months" don't come to us looking for recommendations when you finally get cut off. I'd rather recommend a GoJetZZZZ pilot.
If you guys approve a grossly concessionary contract to "save your jobs for a few months" don't come to us looking for recommendations when you finally get cut off. I'd rather recommend a GoJetZZZZ pilot.
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