That's what she said!!

Since you know of this guy, how does he hand fly an ILS? Not trying to be dick just curious.

Probably the same way he hand flew an ILS in order to pass a Commercial check ride. :D

It's not quite a "one armed guy." I saw him in training, if I remember correctly he was basically missing one arm between his wrist and elbow, not the whole arm, and had an appendage grafted on so he could grip things.

This reminds me of a joke about a guy with no arms and legs ringing a door bell.

He's been gone for almost a year. Came thru a flow program from a Univ. and was never interviewed. Heard Daddy D got some complaints from pax, told 9E mgmt to get him offline ASAP, couldn't fire him due to the fact he would lawyer up and sue the snot out of them so they made him a Ground Instructor. He bailed a month later to go fly somewhere else.

Nomination for TOTD thread

Prosthetics. There was a pilot at Eagle who lost both legs in a climbing accident and flew the ERJ with prosthetics legs. Prosthetic arms and hands, it would be doable. In fact, wasn't there a guy here who had severe burns from an accident yet still got a first class medical and flew at a regional airline? Hiss biggest challenge in the RJ was engaging the reverse thrust, but where there's a will, there's a way, and he managed it in his own way every time and got the TRs to work with a technique he eventually perfected.

I really really hope that's not true.

No, it was almost a non event. Had to do a MFT (medical flight test). It involved going up in a Cessna 172 and do pattern work with a FSDO examiner. I'd rather not give out the name of what the problem is, but it was not color blindness, which is the most common kind of SODA/waiver. Good thing about a waiver is when it's proven benign/non-progressive, it's good for life. Your normal first class medical makes no reference to the SODA. You just carry the SODA with you because it's required to be carried.

I take soda with me all the time since it's free on the plane and I need sugar and caffeine if it's more than 2 legs.....

Agreed! Except it's coffee for me. Those redeyes go quick! :)

As far as "Comair didn't play ball"...

You are aware that Delta came to Comair in 2005, 2006, and 2007 and said if we take concessions we'd grow/stop shrinking, right?

You are aware that the pilots voted YES all three times, right?

You are aware that Comair offered Delta one more concessionary TA right before Delta shut us down, right?

Most Comair guys went to GoJetsss to keep current while waiting for their Pinnacle class dates. :D

Been there. Still have an IO-550 in my personal ride.

Boomer,

Just the guy I was hoping to see.

So if I understand this, ALPA may have negotiated a contract for a Pinnacle pilot's employment with Delta Air Lines. If trseue this is a hell of a precedent which would seemingly effect both Delta pilots and Comair pilots.

ALPA, as an exclusive bargaining agent, blocked efforts of the Comair and the ASA MECs to bind mother Delta to scope agreements. ALPA insisted that Comair and ASA .. at least as long as I was around .. could not bind Delta to a contract, and I mean not even talk with them. ALPA refused to negotiate the provisions which would have protected ASA and Comair flying in the early days and which would have saved Comair in it's later days.

I think "post-Thursday" we will see what was really negotiated. It won't be a "guarantee", but instead a "quota" of DL's picking. Better than nothing. The TA language isn't public until the MEC nods or spasms. The language will be interesting and telling.

Well, they can't cut a deal with Delta management. Only Delta pilots can do that.

I really really wish I was making this up. All true

HAHA, Boomer I would gladly give you a captain spot at 9E, 1 below me of course. The morning we got sold by Delta to 9E, a Comair pilot sprinted across the ramp in JFK and up into our airplane and yelled "Your free! Your free!", then ran off. Haha, was that you??

I learned real quick that when Delta dangles airplanes, you still vote NO.

But a McDonalds cone? I might switch to a yes voter.

LOL, nope, wasn't me. But I was certainly thinking it that morning.

Seeing Compass and Mesaba get sold off was like watching your best friends get the last two seats on the Titanic's lifeboat.

"At least they'll have a chance, just like ASA..."

http://jaebi.com/wp-content/uploads/...feboat-007.jpg

(I hope this image doesn't get me another infraction)

Life isn't always fair. Wasn't saying it was right or wrong, simply stating what happened. As for Michigan State or Western Michigan, I obviously forgot to type the West when looking at a small phone screen, who cares? This example just goes to show you that Delta and all management do not like the idea of a flow, or guaranteed job without an interview, or whatever the hell you want to call it.

As for this, did i offer an opinion on the guy? No, I did not. See, this is what happens when you ASSume things. I'm sure he was a great guy, but in the eyes of Menke and Delta management, not the image they wanted to convey to the public. It's not my view, it's theirs.

You cannot discriminate against a pilot who holds a valid first class medical with the appropriate waiver/SODA. Otherwise you're just opening your company up to a huge lawsuit that the pilot will win.

See other responses, not my opinion, it was Menke's and Delta's.

And congratulations on your SODA, you're special, but I'm sure your mommy told you that all throughout your childhood.

Not sure what you have against pilots who fight hard to overcome medical obstacles presented in their paths, but I suppose to each his own.

Actually, what you state doesn't add up. At first you said Menke, then brought DL mgmt into it... a guy that has a SODA and functions normally would not be fired for that reason. I'm not buying it. That is asking for a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

However, the whole non interview thing from WMU was just downright stupid on 9E's part. 9E screening is pretty minimal, but at least it was something.

Do not have a problem with those guys at all, try to see that around your enormous ego.

I had been told Menke, someone else mentioned Delta. Which makes sense that Delta would be pulling the strings on this anyway, just like everything else. I never said he was fired either, just that after this the WMU program ended. Does no one actually read what anyone says, and just jumps straight to their conclusion?

My apologies... pulling him off the line even sounds like law suit material.

I'm still not buying it. The WMU thing should have never happened in the first place.

Where is the Company's business plan? Hundreds of Colgan pilots paid to sit at home, parking the ATL 900s and no vacancy or displacement. ****ing money away daily with no end in sight.

I'm not voting for any pay cut until there is an indication of competent management.

If you are going to make up numbers for dramatic effect, go big and say thousands or millions of them are sitting at home. It's nowhere near that many. I don't have a firm number, but its less than 100, prob closer to 50.

peanuts in comparison to what it is allowing Delta to do with 140 jets being returned early. Bombardier is on board just pilots to go. if pilots sign off they got a few years to many if things go well, pilots say no....pinnacle closes.

there will be carrots to get 51 percent

I don't think DAL needs this vote one way or the other and I wouldn't advise any 9E pilot to vote with that in mind. Those 76 seaters will fly make no mistake. I really don't think this one vote will tank the company either way. There are a lot of creditors and judge to still think about. Creditors want as much back as they can get and proving a point to some pilots isn't in their equation.

Not saying this vote can't muddy the waters just that the pilots alone don't hold the entire future of the company in their hands.

Also don't forget that DAL got involved with DIP financing to ensure no sudden interruptions to their network. That concern has not changed. Their are just to many fingers in the pie to just shutter 9E airlines. Yes or No on this TA will not immediately shut the doors. It will however be the slow winding down for many pilots. This part is really unavoidable at this point. It is a sad event for many pilots.

Explain?

Because you are not technically talking to Delta management, but the financier of the DIP Funding for PNCL.

This flow idea seems like 2 things are going on. 1st, SR ( TW) guys are realizing they messed up by passing the first time and want it back, which in all reality will probably only benefit them. 2nd, Delta will reward the pilots for lowering the bar by giving them a job, similar to management getting bonuses.

Wasn't Senior Delta management involved with the negotiations in D.C.? I'm reasonably sure of this.
I also see this TA passing with carrots from Delta to sweeten the deal.

WB- be careful. This isn't lowering bar anymore than Mesa taking a concessionary deal in its 2009-2010 BK.

Someone correct me, but why wasn't ExpressJet chastised this bad when they took concessions in the 2004/5? They were saving their company and jobs. I think it's funny how everyone is asking us to fall on the sword when they know deep down they wouldn't do the same.

Pinnacle pilots- it is our decision. This is our airline. Not CP's, XJT, or SKYW's. We chose our destiny. If you want to vote no then vote no, but don't let these vultures sway your vote. You have to make the best decision for you and your family, rather than care about what some ASA FO thinks you should do (remember better for them should we stop operating).

I reserve my decision until reading the document.

Yes they were, but bucking bar is under the impression we are negotiating with Delta Management, but technically Delta was acting as a consultant to PNCLManagement regarding fleet outlook.