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PCL TA Reached. all 200's gone
Check email. All 200's gone. End state PCL=81 900's
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Just curious, whats the DOH of pilot number 810?
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 1313644)
Check email. All 200's gone. End state PCL=81 900's
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Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
(Post 1313647)
Just curious, whats the DOH of pilot number 810?
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Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
(Post 1313647)
Just curious, whats the DOH of pilot number 810?
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Nevermind. Forget what I said
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The most junior captain will be a 1999-2000 hire.
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Originally Posted by Bartok
(Post 1313653)
Pinnacle, Colgan, or Mesaba?
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
(Post 1313649)
Roughtly late 04 early 05 off the top of my head...
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Early Monday morning, the Negotiating Committee and the company reached a tentative agreement (TA). We are in the process of cleaning up the details and creating final language. Both sides convened in the ALPA D.C. offices Monday December 10th to begin the round-the-clock bargaining that was necessary to reach an agreement that provides significant cost savings, while at the same time preserving a future for Pinnacle pilots. Senior management from Delta Air Lines was also participating in the discussions. Representatives from Delta worked closely with our management team to facilitate discussions and provide guidance on key questions to airline fleet, and career progression opportunities for our pilots. Your entire MEC was in Washington to guide the negotiators through the final phase of negotiations. The MEC has received a thorough briefing on the TA, had discussions throughout the day and will continue as final language is completed. Once final language is complete, the MEC will begin their deliberations on the TA. Should the MEC approve the TA, we will begin roadshows as soon as possible – perhaps as early as later this week. With this agreement, Pinnacle's long-term fleet plan has been established at 81 CRJ-900 aircraft. The 40 additional CRJ-900 aircraft will start delivery in fall 2013, and all will be in service by the end of 2014. As part of the long-term fleet plan, Pinnacle will remove its 140 CRJ-200 aircraft from the fleet starting in summer of 2013, with the largest number leaving at the end of 2014 or early 2015. The schedule is designed to avoid incurring extensive scheduled engine maintenance events prior to each aircraft leaving the fleet. Due to the liquidity issues facing our company, we will need to complete all roadshows and balloting on the new agreement by January 15th. We intend to get all information out to every Pinnacle pilot as soon as possible so that you can begin to process the information on this important future decision. We appreciate the support of all Pinnacle pilots throughout this year-long ordeal. Please know that difficult decisions were made throughout this process and our goal has always been to represent the needs of our pilots. |
Originally Posted by SmitteyB
(Post 1313648)
I don't see all the -200s leaving, honestly.
,honestly. |
This is funny stuff! Why would they announce the fleet plan if they want us to vote on the TA? More than half of us are losing our jobs, pretty sure I know what we will be voting....
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So Delta promises additional 900's in exchange for concessions? I'm not sure, but I feel like this had happened before but I just cannot think of the company. Any help?
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The other 30 900's will likely go to ASA/Skywest to park their jets. It looks like Delta wants 0 200's in their fleet by the end of 2015.
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For many of us, this might just be a "band-aid" to stay employed until we can get hired at a major. It says the bulk of the 200's won't leave until late 2014, early 2015 - about the same time this supposed "pilot shortage" thingy hits that we keep talking about.
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Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
(Post 1313647)
Just curious, whats the DOH of pilot number 810?
Originally Posted by Bartok
(Post 1313653)
Pinnacle, Colgan, or Mesaba?
And pilot number 410 it is: Sep 00, Apr 00, and Mar 00. |
Originally Posted by Banja
(Post 1313680)
For many of us, this might just be a "band-aid" to stay employed until we can get hired at a major. It says the bulk of the 200's won't leave until late 2014, early 2015 - about the same time this supposed "pilot shortage" thingy hits that we keep talking about.
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There's lots of ex Colgan guys who are sitting at home, collecting pay. I wonder if be company will actually bring them to training and furlough them later.
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Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
(Post 1313647)
Just curious, whats the DOH of pilot number 810?
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So how do they think they can pass this? More then half the company will be on the street so why would we lower the bar for what ever company we go to?
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Originally Posted by SmitteyB
(Post 1313648)
I don't see all the -200s leaving, honestly.
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Holy crap!
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So these 40 900s are or aren't the ones that Delta just purchased?
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Ok, let me get this straight. Pinnacle now has 2,300 pilots and will reduce to 800 pilots "IF" this TA passes?
So if 1,500 pilots are losing their job, why would they want to vote YES to a concessionary TA? Wouldn't you just vote no, and not let the industry average be brought down for your next job? |
Originally Posted by Pinchanickled
(Post 1313717)
Ok, let me get this straight. Pinnacle now has 2,300 pilots and will reduce to 800 pilots "IF" this TA passes?
So if 1,500 pilots are losing their job, why would they want to vote YES to a concessionary TA? Wouldn't you just vote no, and not let the industry average be brought down for your next job? Pretty sure the spin will be that it gives them longer to find another gig. Honestly, if I were still there, I'd nuke it from orbit. Notice they haven't said if MEM will close or not. MOST of the old skool 9E guys that would still be employed after this are MEM guys. |
All of the language hasn't been released yet. The email did mention cost savings while preserving a future for Pinnacle pilots. Plus senior DL mgt was present during these negotiations. I don't think Wychor would try to sell voting in concessions and a massive shrink down if there wasn't some upside for us. As mentioned, the drawdown will be gradual into 2015. Lets wait and see what the final language says. That's my plan anyway.
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
(Post 1313724)
All of the language hasn't been released yet. The email did mention cost savings while preserving a future for Pinnacle pilots. Plus senior DL mgt was present during these negotiations. I don't think Wychor would try to sell voting in concessions and a massive shrink down if there wasn't some upside for us. As mentioned, the drawdown will be gradual into 2015. Lets wait and see what the final language says. That's my plan anyway.
I don't think "senior Delta management" being there is necessarily a good thing for 9E. They're trying to adhere to the mainline TA the cheapest way possible. They have to park 50 seaters, and this is a HUGE opportunity for them. If you're holding out hope for a flow through, I wouldn't hold my breathe. They've already said pretty much nil on the 2013 hiring. That pretty much gives close to 2000 guys a year to scramble up the ladder. The top few guys might make it before they hit the streets, but most will either be elsewhere or out altogether by the time the mass exodus starts. |
Looks like TW and his super senior buddies managed to throw 60% of your pilots under the bus after all.
If you guys approve a grossly concessionary contract to "save your jobs for a few months" don't come to us looking for recommendations when you finally get cut off. I'd rather recommend a GoJetZZZZ pilot. |
I'm not holding out for it, but I just think there has to be more to this "agreement" than has been mentioned thus far. There is no upside to us voting for paycuts and losing the majority of our fleet and jobs. I certainly could be wrong. I'm just saying I personally will wait and see the final language before I jump out the window.
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
(Post 1313729)
Looks like TW and his super senior buddies managed to throw 60% of your pilots under the bus after all.
If you guys approve a grossly concessionary contract to "save your jobs for a few months" don't come to us looking for recommendations when you finally get cut off. I'd rather recommend a GoJetZZZZ pilot. |
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
(Post 1313729)
Looks like TW and his super senior buddies managed to throw 60% of your pilots under the bus after all.
If you guys approve a grossly concessionary contract to "save your jobs for a few months" don't come to us looking for recommendations when you finally get cut off. I'd rather recommend a GoJetZZZZ pilot. |
Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 1313739)
And I wouldn't ask an ASA lifer such as urself for such a worthless recommendation. Ever fall off your high horse? Loooong way down!
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At least Delta is consistent. They know that forcing a contract to a pilot group under duress works.
Pinnacle pilots, listen! IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH. If you give anything to them now, they will keep coming back for more. I can guarantee it. They will figure out a way to send any "promises'' of future airframes elsewhere. If one of the Delta executives that was helping in facilitating a deal was Don Bornwh0rst, you should expect the polar opposite of what he says or promises or guarantees to occur. |
I have no business in the juvenile exchange between you guys but 12 years at a regional IS a very long time.
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Who cares if another pilot works at a company for 3, 5, 10, 20, 30 years...what do you care?
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
(Post 1313745)
Lifer. Bahahahahaha. I guess 12 years IS a lifer to someone with just a couple of years in the industry. I really hope you vote no, junior.
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Originally Posted by Colnago
(Post 1313749)
I have no business in the juvenile exchange between you guys but 12 years at a regional IS a very long time.
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Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 1313761)
Funny part is your the guy all the expressjet people say is a sell out saying they are too expensive. Pot meet kettle?
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It's interesting how many people are ready to "burn it down" without even reading what is the TA. I wished I was in a financial place to say burn it down too, but I guess I will just try to be rational .
Something an old wise man told me(my dad now passed on). "It's always easier to find a job when you have a job" |
Who would vote yes to this BS offer? Practically everyone at PNCL now will be fired or become an FO at a lousy pay scale. Apply to express jet or someone now, and vote it down. They are not looking out for you, they are looking out for their own senior butts, and need you to keep them afloat. The writing is on the wall, this will not save the airline. Last time someone shrank to profitability, well.. You know how that went. 900s or not.
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