Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 1329833)

DMEARC was at a regional for about three years before getting picked up by CAL. He upgraded in just over a year and he has about seven years in this industry. He is talking down from his "United Mainliners" seat with about as much authority as a Jester sitting in the Kings quarters. Just like he posted about how regionals were taking his job as soon as he got furloughed from United even though he came from a bottom rung regional with the worst treatment that helped cause his furlough(it had the quickest movement.) It is actually pretty laughable that he insists on talking down to people from his mainline seat.

Pinnacle will pass this TA because pilots are greedy and self serving. We cannot change the "ME ME ME" of an entire profession even with proof that it will affect other airlines. This will affect mainline negotiations down the road just as severely as it will affect regional negotiations in the short term. These are 65,000 lb + airplanes that are being negotiated and they should be at mainline.

In short it is a horrible deal for all pilots but it will pass no matter what anyone says. It was designed by professional negotiators from delta and it plays into the exact short term gain that has been teasing pilots into accepting subpar wages and treatment for years. Just like the guys going to Colgan because it was a quick upgrade despite safety and treatment issues, just like the guys paying Gulfstream for 1900 time even though they were underqualified, just like the way Gojets has a stack of resumes , just like DMEARC going to Colgan for 2.5 yrs and then thinking regionals are the scum of the earth... pilots are looking out for #1 and do not care about anyone else.

I don't fault the Pinnacle pilots at all. This is a much bigger issue about the lack of pilot unity. Everyone is out for their own interests.

Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 1329833)

DMEARC was at a regional for about three years before getting picked up by CAL. He upgraded in just over a year and he has about seven years in this industry. He is talking down from his "United Mainliners" seat with about as much authority as a Jester sitting in the Kings quarters. Just like he posted about how regionals were taking his job as soon as he got furloughed from United even though he came from a bottom rung regional with the worst treatment that helped cause his furlough(it had the quickest movement.) It is actually pretty laughable that he insists on talking down to people from his mainline seat.

Pinnacle will pass this TA because pilots are greedy and self serving. We cannot change the "ME ME ME" of an entire profession even with proof that it will affect other airlines. This will affect mainline negotiations down the road just as severely as it will affect regional negotiations in the short term. These are 65,000 lb + airplanes that are being negotiated and they should be at mainline.

In short it is a horrible deal for all pilots but it will pass no matter what anyone says. It was designed by professional negotiators from delta and it plays into the exact short term gain that has been teasing pilots into accepting subpar wages and treatment for years. Just like the guys going to Colgan because it was a quick upgrade despite safety and treatment issues, just like the guys paying Gulfstream for 1900 time even though they were underqualified, just like the way Gojets has a stack of resumes , just like DMEARC going to Colgan for 2.5 yrs and then thinking regionals are the scum of the earth... pilots are looking out for #1 and do not care about anyone else.

I don't fault the Pinnacle pilots at all. This is a much bigger issue about the lack of pilot unity. Everyone is out for their own interests.

Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 1330128)

. . . . I, for one cannot afford to be unemployed and am not willing to fall on my sword for the perceived benefit of other pilot groups who stand to gain from our demise. If that makes me selfish, my apologies. We can revisit the topic, WHEN the gun gets pointed at your head.

Originally Posted by legend (Post 1330120)

I think what he was trying to say to those at other regionals who are being so critical to Pinnacle pilots, that your day is coming. Meaning Delta's steamrolling ways will continue..!

Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 1329879)

The exact same thing was said to Mesa pilots over the last decade...by nobody at Pinnacle or Mesaba, ever.

Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1330247)

what was the point of anything in this post...

bravo.