GED = Good Enough for Delta
01-15-2013 | 07:50 PM
#122
Gets Weekends Off
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Why stop at a bachelor's degree? Should graduation from high school be a requirement as well? It's not required for an ATP. All that counts is the flight experience, right?
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment is half as high for college graduates as for high school graduates; college grads earn more, typically receiving a return on their college investment after only four years.
Why a College Degree? - Forbes
Delta can hire anyone it wants to, it sets the bar as high or as low as it feels comfortable with. Typically, though, they've set expectations pretty high.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment is half as high for college graduates as for high school graduates; college grads earn more, typically receiving a return on their college investment after only four years.
Why a College Degree? - Forbes
Delta can hire anyone it wants to, it sets the bar as high or as low as it feels comfortable with. Typically, though, they've set expectations pretty high.
Both 80 and Bar seem to be all knowing soothsayers of how good (or bad) a pilot is both with and without a college degree without even having seen them.
These gentlemen both seem to be a lacking in a certain kind of character that seems to have slipped past them in Big D's CRM school.
Vitriol to other pilots. Classy you two...I'm guessing I can't ignore mods, maybe tool of the day has some room...
01-15-2013 | 08:00 PM
#124
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Sec. 61.151 Eligibility requirements: General.
To be eligible for an airline transport pilot certificate, a person must--
(a) Be at least 23 years of age;
(b) Be able to read, speak, write, and understand the English language.
(c) Be of good moral character;
(d) Meet at least one of the following requirements:
(1) Hold at least a commercial pilot certificate and instrument rating;
(2) Meet the military experience requirements under Sec. 61.73 of this part to qualify for a commercial pilot certificate, and an instrument rating if the person is a rated military pilot or former rated military pilot of an Armed Force of the United States; or
(3) Hold either a foreign airline transport pilot or foreign commercial pilot license and an instrument rating, without limitations issued by a contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation.
01-15-2013 | 08:36 PM
#127
Da Hudge
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From: Poodle Whisperer
It also says of good moral character.
Both 80 and Bar seem to be all knowing soothsayers of how good (or bad) a pilot is both with and without a college degree without even having seen them.
These gentlemen both seem to be a lacking in a certain kind of character that seems to have slipped past them in Big D's CRM school.
Vitriol to other pilots. Classy you two...I'm guessing I can't ignore mods, maybe tool of the day has some room...
Both 80 and Bar seem to be all knowing soothsayers of how good (or bad) a pilot is both with and without a college degree without even having seen them.
These gentlemen both seem to be a lacking in a certain kind of character that seems to have slipped past them in Big D's CRM school.
Vitriol to other pilots. Classy you two...I'm guessing I can't ignore mods, maybe tool of the day has some room...
01-15-2013 | 08:37 PM
#128
Gets Weekends Off
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Have some thicker skin you little nancy 
The last thing I am is the spelling police because my posts aren't perfect and contain mistakes. I was only ribbing you because you choose to promote the importance of education in a post that contained about 10 errors. Lighten up man and learn to take a little ribbing. Sorry I touched a nerve. Feel free to point out mistakes in my posts and I will take about 1 second to get over it without getting my boxers all in a wad. 
The last thing I am is the spelling police because my posts aren't perfect and contain mistakes. I was only ribbing you because you choose to promote the importance of education in a post that contained about 10 errors. Lighten up man and learn to take a little ribbing. Sorry I touched a nerve. Feel free to point out mistakes in my posts and I will take about 1 second to get over it without getting my boxers all in a wad.
01-15-2013 | 08:41 PM
#129
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
... I guess the bridge agreement is not a rumor:
1) Who exactly is the Airline Pilot Association that is referred to in Section 1(A) of our contract? I always assumed it was the Delta MEC. I think most pilots assume this. Can this association negotiate with Delta without any involvement by the DAL MEC? I think most guys assume it cannot.
1) Who exactly is the Airline Pilot Association that is referred to in Section 1(A) of our contract? I always assumed it was the Delta MEC. I think most pilots assume this. Can this association negotiate with Delta without any involvement by the DAL MEC? I think most guys assume it cannot.
Section IV, Section 2, of ALPA's Constitution and Bylaws provides each MEC broad autonomy to deal with issues that concern that airlines' pilots.
ALPA can, and has, negotiated without the concurrence of the Delta MEC. It has the power to do so, but most ALPA politicians have respected the Delta MEC. The fact an ALPA President has authorized the sort of bargaining which took place here is a change from past ALPA policy.
The way this is supposed to work is that our President would not authorize bargaining contrary to our Admin Manual.
However, reports are that Lee Moak did authorize this bargaining with the understanding that it did not effect the Delta pilot working agreement, which brings us to a much deeper problem. The concept that this is "none of your business."
For this to be "none of our business" it would mean that any flying Delta permits is no longer "Delta flying." This is a a significant policy change. Until now, Delta flying has remained Delta flying even if it is permitted to be flown elsewhere. We owned Delta flying. ... draw a real big circle. (ignore the titles, I had to borrow an unrelated image)
With this new interpretation we only own what we explicitly own and everything else is fair game for other pilot groups to sit down with our management and negotiate for. Real quickly you can see how the new definition of "Delta flying" looks something like a map of Fulton County, GA.
That is why this precedent has the potential to really harm Delta pilots. With other pilot groups at the table, we are just one competitor among many for flying. New flying, new Company operations, which we have not explicitly scoped (and how can we know what might be created ... Delta has a handful of Certificates that it is not using) could be anyone's.
01-15-2013 | 08:50 PM
#130
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
3) (Or) Is this the issue here the relationship between the administration and MEC? Could we have been involved, but only at the administration level?
This may not amount to much, in the end. Maybe this is a matter of TO working something out with LM and E9 that meets the letter of the meet-and-confer requirement.
This may not amount to much, in the end. Maybe this is a matter of TO working something out with LM and E9 that meets the letter of the meet-and-confer requirement.
A handful are angry that this has seen the light of day. To them I ask, why do believe it best that the governance of our union be kept secret from it's members.
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