There is, 50nm. You must go at least 50nm from your point of departure to count it as cross country for the ATP, however you do not have to make a landing.

If you look in the first section of 61.1 under definitions of cross country...

(4) Cross-country time means—

(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(4)(ii) through (b)(4)(vi) of this section, time acquired during flight—

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;

(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.

Any airport to airport is x-country, but in terms for airmen certification is 50nm.

Thats only for Part 135 IFR mins. The ATP requires 50nm but no landing.

^^^THIS

See above. Also for logging it. Once you get your commercial theres only 2 reasons for XC time, part 135 mins (point to point) and ATP mins (over 50nm but no landing). Use your XC section for ATP XC and create one for point to point XC. When you log a 50nm with no landing its simple, just put departure airport, point you went over 50nm (ABC VOR), and landing point.

You sir, are seriously mistaken. You need to refer back to 61.1 before making a statement like that....

(vi) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements for an airline transport pilot certificate (except with a rotorcraft category rating), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That is at least a straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.

XC for students up to commercial: > 50NM straight line from point of origin and a LDG.

XC for ATP: > 50 NM straight line from point of origin (no LDG required).

XC for 135: Point A to point B and a LDG at B (no minimum distance).

It was always sold to me as any flight from airport to airport was a cross country for the ATP. I don't know whats right or wrong but if 50Nm is required, the airlines will be more desperate. CFI's don't fly many of their lessons over 50NM. Now what you will see is instructors taking students for 50nm joy rides at the students expense.

Its as simple as reading the requirements for the ATP from your FAR! It says 50nm straight line but doesn't mention a landing. Its honestly not a secret or anything its just a lot of mis-education.

That's quite an insult to the CFIs out there. Lots of 121, 135 and 91 subpart K drivers also maintain their cfi tickets, and that's quite the insult to them as well. If you would pause and think prior to rambling, you would realize there will be opportunities within the instrument and commercial flight-courses for the young cfi to gain x/c time without ripping the students off. Integrity goes a long way in this business...

That's 135 XC.


ATP XC needs > 50NM, but no LDG required.


This is all crystal clear in the regs, no grey area whatsoever. It isn't spelled out in one place, so it takes some digging to find all the relevant paragraphs. But you can take my word for it on this one.