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Blackwing 02-21-2013 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777:1353979

Originally Posted by lowtimepilot (Post 1353973)
How do people note this in their logbook? Make a new column or atp x-cty?


Not a bad idea. Or use an asterisk or some other means of separating student, 135, and ATP XC time.

That's exactly what I did. Also included a fix in the route description that was >50nm. It doesn't hurt to go back through your logbook, I found an extra 25 or so hours that met the ATP XC definition. Also don't forget that you can count up to 100 hrs of sim time toward the total time requirement. (I think it's 100, might only be 50.)

Bellanca 02-21-2013 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by 727flteng (Post 1355794)
I'd be willing to bet if you just talk to your students about it, they would be willing to go an extra .3 or .4 to get that XC in THIER logbook as well, especially if they are planning on making flying a career. If they are, they will need the 500 XC also.

When everyone seems low on money these days, an extra $50-60 per flight lesson isn't an easy of a sell as you think it is. Even the career oriented students are telling me that they are running out of money and just need to get done. Then the students of mine that aren't career oriented, are working on private pilot, and turning local flights into XC's really doesn't benefit them at all (at least not enough to compensate for the extra money spent.)

USMCFLYR 02-21-2013 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Bellanca (Post 1357202)
When everyone seems low on money these days, an extra $50-60 per flight lesson isn't an easy of a sell as you think it is. Even the career oriented students are telling me that they are running out of money and just need to get done. Then the students of mine that aren't career oriented, are working on private pilot, and turning local flights into XC's really doesn't benefit them at all (at least not enough to compensate for the extra money spent.)

And these same 'career oriented' students are on APC 6 months down the road complaining how they can't get enough X/C time while instructing ;)
"just get it done" to what end?
I guess they could be thinking - why pay for it in training when I hope to get it while getting paid.
That thought process would certainly have been valid in the last few years where the general consensus was to get it done for as cheap as possible (not inlcuding the big university programs or mills) and into the right seat of an airliner as quickly as possible; but doesn't seem to work now in the current/and future environment.

It's a tough road for the new CFIs out there. More power to you!

Bellanca 02-21-2013 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Squawk87 (Post 1355515)
Same boat, almost 1400 TT 500 ME and only 350 XC.... Unfortunately as an instructor in part 141 environment its pretty hard to build XC time...

That is the same thing I'm running into. We have a really strict syllabus (lots of 1 hour local flights) and if we go somewhere outside of a 50nm radius, it makes the what is supposed to be allotted 1 hour of time go to 1.6 to 2.0, which then makes students go over on flight time, costing more $$$ and then leads to us flight instructors getting in trouble by the people above us. Also, to make things worse, our private/instrument trainer (and what we use for 75% of the commercial course) is a two seat plane, so backseating a student while one flies out 50 miles and switching out isn't an option.

remii031 08-19-2017 07:47 PM

What if the flight started at a point (airport A), flew to next airport (Airport B)and landed (just short of 50NM between A and B) continued to another airport (Airport C) which is more than 50NM from A-C but less than 50NM between airport B-C and made a landing there (airport C)? Can I count that entire time as cross country ATP time?

CBreezy 08-20-2017 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by remii031 (Post 2413736)
What if the flight started at a point (airport A), flew to next airport (Airport B)and landed (just short of 50NM between A and B) continued to another airport (Airport C) which is more than 50NM from A-C but less than 50NM between airport B-C and made a landing there (airport C)? Can I count that entire time as cross country ATP time?

Any flight 50nm from original departure without the need for a landing. You are not required to log any landings in yours logbook except for currency. Unless it was on behalf of a certificate holder, I'd just log A-C.


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