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Red Forman 02-22-2013 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 1357804)
You haven't a clue my friend. Each airline had a vote, the only two airlines that voted against supporting age 65 was XJT & NWA. If you are going to be super critical of ALPA (and you have every right) at least do some research and know what you're talking about

You just proved my point. Out of all the APLA carriers only two didn't want it.

JoeyMeatballs 02-22-2013 04:30 AM

Don't blame me pal, I was part of the XJT MEC that voted no...........

buddies8 02-22-2013 04:40 AM

the mec's voted on it at the alpa national board not the pilot groups of the airline.

Red Forman 02-22-2013 04:46 AM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 1357818)
Don't blame me pal, I was part of the XJT MEC that voted no...........

Is your name ALPA, pal? I'm not blaming you, I'm blaming the majority of ALPA.

meyers9163 02-22-2013 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1357826)
the mec's voted on it at the alpa national board not the pilot groups of the airline.

And who votes the LECs and thus subsequently MECs into power? That's the pilots....

meyers9163 02-22-2013 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 1357806)
Wow, three whole examples of carriers that have good contracts. How many carriers does ALPA represent? ALPA has been a part of the continued whipsaw and most of the crappy contracts that represent the majority of what ALPA has to offer.

I'd bet that most ALPA carriers have better working conditions then the non..... Republic vs any ALPA regional being a prime example....

I'd take DAL over AA or any other non ALPA legacy....

I'd take FedEx over UPS and theirs......

eaglefly 02-22-2013 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by shfo (Post 1357758)
Union Dues; They Booze & We Lose



In January of 2012 the MEC meet to discuss numerous pilot issues. One of these topics was the purchase of alcohol by union leaders when they attended a group meal that was to be paid for by union dues monies. This was brought about in part by the shock of a newly elected LEC representative who was attending his first of these group meals. He was surprised by the free flowing alcohol and the numerous bottles of expensive wines that continued to appear - as if by magic - on the table throughout the evening. He remarked that he would have to fly four hours to pay for just one bottle. This was followed by the many shots of Patron to round out the event.



This prompted a resolution by a few MEC members to stop the excess. The resolution was not well received by union representatives who believe that the nightly cocktail is a well-earned perk of a union volunteer. After much debate the resolution was passed by a 9 to 4 vote and made the law by which your MEC agreed to live with in the future. A simple rule: “do not use Eagle pilot dues to pay for alcohol when union members participate in a group meal.” At no time was this attempt to force moral values on union officials. If you want to drink, buy it yourself and enjoy. But it doesn’t stop there, it gets better!



With rules there comes accountability, and soon the union secretary-treasurer asked that after a group meal the person who would claim reimbursement to submit a detailed receipt of the meal. This would be a simple check and balance to the rule. Easy enough right? Not on your life. The outrage from the union leadership, your negotiating committee and some committee members was alarming. They vocally objected the need to provide a detailed receipt and saw that as questioning their ethics. Your leaders then went on to claim that the restaurants in the DFW area where they choose to dine do not provide detailed receipts. As a result this would require them to eat at location unfitting their status a union official.



Now that it is clear that your union leadership is using every opportunity to avoid the any means of financial oversight. What will they think of next? Well, I will tell you. Buy all the booze they want and hide the expense under a different name. Why not call it “snacks.” Clever, I’ll say. Just tell everyone that they are performing the work of the union late at night and needed some snacks to sustain them.



What is tragic is that we know this is not a one off event. It is happened multiple times and from the information that we are receiving this conduct has continued unchecked for some time. All of it with the approval of the MEC chairman. As more details become available we will share them with you.

The non itemized receipt which was enclosed in the expense report.

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After the secretary treasurer inquired as to the amount in the expense report the SPC chair responded saying it was for snacks.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...91006946_n.jpg

Wanting to see what kind of snacks you can get for 4 people the secretary treasurer called the restaurant and got an itemized receipt.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...49826801_n.jpg

After exposing this the MEC chairman removed the Secretary Treasurer from full time Union Leave. (Even though he is the only member of the MEC who actually flies the line; the chairman and vice chairman haven't flown in over a year and a half.)

Eagle ALPA's problems go WAY beyond booze. They have easily failed the DFR sniff test and should be sued by their own pilots.

BigPropz 02-22-2013 05:32 AM

Who was the chick who got the Mich Ultra?

Tartan Army 02-22-2013 05:47 AM

I have no problem with union dues being used to purchase dinner (reasonably priced) and would even be ok with allowing one drink with dinner, but the examples shown above are incredibly excessive and basically fraudulently stealing from the dues coffers.

I'm no hard-nosed person... if you put in a full day at negotiations or something like that and go to dinner as a team, I have no problem with each person ordering an alcoholic beverage. But when I say "an", I do in fact mean one.... and not one for every person in the restaurant for those trying to find a loophole.

JoeyMeatballs 02-22-2013 05:48 AM

^ Agreed and this is usually how it has worked (99%)for the past 5 years I have been a Rep


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