Our "management" doesn't want to stand up to any "mainline partners" and rock the boat. (In other words, they don't care either, and have no dog in the fight... they get positive space when they travel). The only way is to make UAL management motivated to fix it. It worked with Delta many years ago...

I doubt ALPA will help. ALPA couldn't care less about regional pilots, and they will see it as having to choose between mainline who pays the majority of dues or regionals who don't. They will take your side like they do in every other issue. There's no NMB issue anyhow, because since our management doesn't control passes, it can't be negotiated in our contract. No contract item, no grievance.

I haven't seen a DCI commuter get positive space for at least 2 years. Most of those you see are deadhead crews. Since Delta still plays the Comair Shell Game of rotating carrier's flights to make sure no one carrier gets too strong, we deadhead constantly... which takes seats away from customers and mainline employees...

I hope so too. Again, glad you get it. Too many mainline employees (and society in general) look down on and ignore the plight of those they perceive to be beneath them.

Please go take Delta. They are ready when you are..... As to the jumpseat being weight restricted you have about as much information regarding whether or not we are at the stops as you I would trying to get on that RJ with the mysterious ballast / CG issue. So if you guys want a jumpseat war I am ready to play. If I am short O2 for the observer or perhaps those belts on the jumpseat look frayed it may mean the cockpit seat is unusable.



That is a byproduct of the outsourced industry. If you have ever seen a flight from South Florida to one of the UA hubs you will see hundreds of UA pilots that were once base in MIA. They commute because UA closed their domicile their after 9/11. Should the MIA commuters deny UAX jumpseaters because UA closed their base?

Cry me a river. All of us were hurt by 65 that were not already B777 or B400 Captains. During the past 5 years our ALPA group gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay COBRA for our furloughed pilots (rightfully so). I have supported and desire to help those furloughed from my company, while they were being replaced by guys in RJ's.


Didn't Pinnacle have long term contract with DL?

Let's play this out a little farther. You trash your operation and the UAL replaces you with the next lowest bidder, putting downward pressure on the RJ rates. So now your company doesn't have the UA contract and it can't get a contract elsewhere to cover that seat you are sitting in when the music stops. Now you are on the street looking for a job. Guess who is hiring? That company that took your contract and you can start over at first year wages at the new company....Ever see the movie called Go Jet? Slashing RJ wages doesn't hurt our mainline bargaining power. We have our own rates for 90 seaters and a contract that wil hopefully be protected. I think our pilot group will man up and hold the line when it comes to letting the camel any farther into the tent.



I suspect a majority of those complaints are from passengers that missed their connections after being delayed from a UAX flight. UAX handles at least 50% of our passengers during their travels according to the latest propaganda. I have friends that are 1K's on UAL and they drive from SMF to SFO to avoid the CF that is UAX.


Retiring is the last step for me. I still have several years so it will be awhile. However, you still have to get the get an interview, pass the interview and then start your job.

I wouldn't black ball all of you. I am not willing to paint all of you with the same brush. However, people that decide to misplace their agression against the UA pilots like yourself don't belong in a UAL cockpit. You are effectively hurting the group you want to work with. In fact how would you feel if you got that UA job, on probation and you are trying to get to work only be denied a jumpseat for a war declared by your former employer? You miss your trip, which I don't recommend you doing on probation. How would that make you feel?

Do whatever you want Tony C, and I will am sure the UAL pilots will do whatever we want in retaliation if you decide you are punishing our pilots for your problems.

And here I thought we were making progress... guess you just don't get it and are too selfish to care.

Really...lmao...do you have any understanding of how contracts work or torts law? I wouldn't make any life decisions based on those contracts, I will just leave it at that. :cool:

First of all, yes, I do. Second of all, who's making life decisions? I plan to get out of here first opportunity I get, for precisely reasons like this. I don't even commute on UAL, and very rarely non rev on them, so really I have no dog in this fight, yet I fight for those that depend on it. What are you doing to solve the problem?

I just hope that pilots will still get to list as a jumpseat to get to work even with seats open in the back and not have to pay this ridiculous sum of money. I'm hoping UA won't come up with some slick way to force guys jumpseating to still pay. If I worked 4 4 day trips a month back and forth I would pay almost 2000 dollars a year just to commute. Even for CA's, that's a lot of money. I don't see how UA went from 50-100 dollars a year to this scale. I wouldn't deny any UA pilots the jumpseat over this. As it has been said, they're not coming up with the policies. But any UA jumpseat I'm on or any UA pilot that jumpseats on me will definitely hear from me about this. Just maybe some of them will do something about it. But probably not.

Guys...

If you're paying $80-$160 a month in segment fees to get to/from work, you can EASILY recoup that money by slowing down, double-checking yourself, and adding an extra hour of credit per week to your schedule. Don't forget to taxi with both engines running and the APU up and running.

You can correct me if I am wrong, but you get passes on all the carriers your airline codeshares for no matter which label you are operating under?

If that is the case we UAL pilots demand you and your pilot group force your management provide passes for UA pilots on all those other carriers. You are getting a benefit of passes that are not provided to us. I suppose we as UAL pilots could demand your company provide us with those pass benefits, but they would tell us their hands are tied. Therefore we should demand that you UAX pilots achieve the same level of pass benefits for UAL pilots that you have on other carriers. Until that time expect a jumpseat war <tic> Does that make sense to you? It must with the logic you are applying to the the current UA pass charge system changes..

This is pointless. We have gotten to the point where both of us want to "win" the argument, and have totally lost sight of the issue.

Maybe we're just pi$sed and venting. Let's face it, a jumpseat war isn't going to happen, and probably wouldn't even solve the problem.

What will solve the problem is when UAX employees don't make it to work and UAL flights get canceled. And people leave UAX carriers in droves and no one replaces them. Mainline flights go half empty. Passengers complain more.

We all know some level of management reads these forums. Taxing your lowest paid contractors to fill a budget gap is the pettiest, most short sighted cost savings approach I've ever seen. It borders on pure evil. Fix it.