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Originally Posted by tom14cat14:1400816
I have one question, Who remembers someone's post from 2.5 years?
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Originally Posted by shimmydamp
(Post 1400801)
Picketing while there was progress at the table? Shows how delusional you are. Those other 3000 pilots it was a disservice to included 9E pilots.
Besides, that event was coordinated by the old 9E ALPA reps, I thought you were against them too? Your dartboard of blame is a moving target. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1400834)
There had always been "progress" even in the time under amendable date of the contract. Problem is you non-union Colgan pilots were specifically bought to be the non-union growth machine. You didn't complain because you had fast growth/movement in both seats. Then you voted in ALPA. Then the JCBA negotiations started. Progress? There's always "progress." While I may not be for the old reps, them taking a stand against the company is admirable, so I was always for their picketing events. The bottom line is in the 9E time of pilot need, your group deserted them. It doesn't matter if the 9L MEC told you to do it, you could have still shown up in person and stood in support. Now you fly these jets with the rest of the 9E group after your props went away (something that could never happen, right?). Some unity you showed! You'll do what best serves you, not the 9E pilot group.
1. They aren't "my props". (And I never said they wouldn't go away.) 2. The irony of you telling me "You'll do what best serves you, not the 9E pilot group", is blowing my mind. The 9E pilot group encompasses more than just pre-merger 9E pilots. 3. You are very shallow minded to keep on this rant about 9L disappearing. So are all the ATL 900s and 200s. So did the XJ Saabs. Fleets change, mergers happen, deal with it. It's part of the business. |
Originally Posted by shimmydamp
(Post 1400854)
A few things.
1. They aren't "my props". (And I never said they wouldn't go away.) 2. The irony of you telling me "You'll do what best serves you, not the 9E pilot group", is blowing my mind. The 9E pilot group encompasses more than just pre-merger 9E pilots. 3. You are very shallow minded to keep on this rant about 9L disappearing. So are all the ATL 900s and 200s. So did the XJ Saabs. Fleets change, mergers happen, deal with it. It's part of the business. |
....Go. Away.
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It doesn't matter how Colgan/Mesaba slices it. Do-not-sell-unity around. You guys have too many 9E-slaps on your records.
I'm not getting into whether your actions were justified or not, or whether you did right or wrong. Just don't preach unity. Yes, I do believe unity is the way to go. But unfortunately, all 3 pilot groups clearly decided not to go that way early on. We'll reap what we sow. |
Shy i try not to bash you because I do not know you.(And I try not to bash anyone) But bringing up how Colgan was a "non-union growth machine" isnt that what Virgin is? They are non union and are growing because they can undercut mainline. I know you like to say do not compare VA to DAL or other legacy's you can only compare to Spirit and Jet Blue. But In my opinion you have to compare all planes that fly it to the same base. They are all competing for the same PAX. You can't tell me Delta only fly's business travellers. I am pretty sure Business travellers do not travel in flip flops and i see a ton of those all the time.
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Originally Posted by IBPilot
(Post 1400911)
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Originally Posted by tom14cat14
Shy i try not to bash you because I do not know you.(And I try not to bash anyone) But bringing up how Colgan was a "non-union growth machine" isnt that what Virgin is? They are non union and are growing because they can undercut mainline. I know you like to say do not compare VA to DAL or other legacy's you can only compare to Spirit and Jet Blue. But In my opinion you have to compare all planes that fly it to the same base. They are all competing for the same PAX. You can't tell me Delta only fly's business travellers. I am pretty sure Business travellers do not travel in flip flops and i see a ton of those all the time.
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seriously go away, pet your ego elsewhere.
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