swamp

Or the butthurt shy gets when you mention Virgin America and financial reports in the same sentence. You're right, it is funny.

shimmydamp

So, you are constructing a scenario based on hearsay that you could see playing out, but have no real evidence to prove your point with. First it was all the 9E Captains that didn't have their bachelors degree who were the problem. and now it's compounded by all the 9E FOs with their Master/PHD who won't have a fair shot.

You are talking about maybe 1/100 pilots who have have connections solid enough at Delta to be hired straight from the right seat of an RJ. Until Delta hires no one will know the real effect of the SSP. Logically you would have upgrade opportunities come about from it and FOs turn into CAs.

Maybe I can help you redirect your negativity to something that is actually potentially a problem. That would be if CAs with competitive qualifications are held back from interviewing while CAs from other regionals are hired. Still, there will 12 seats in a class minimum, which is more than there would have been from 9e otherwise.

Thanks for your continued concern for those of us at 9e. Like an angel on our bedpost.

ShyGuy

Nothing you write can give me any butthurt. Financial reports are enough that we got a raise and haven't been furloughed (yet anyway). Quite the opposite, the hiring continues.

ShyGuy

You have totally missed my point and are taking me the wrong way. I have nothing against any pilot with a degree. Where I am opinionated is that any pilot going to Delta should have a college degree because Delta requires it. Other than that, have at it with the SSP. My only point was that the 9E FOs got duped into being told that they could apply to Delta outside the SSP on their own. This was the union response when a few angry FOs questioned the CA-only qualification standard. It's wrong to give the wrong information for the greater agenda of getting the concessionary deal passed. As a FO, who knows when the upgrade will happen. By that time, the SSP may get current CAs through, and tons more street hires. How is it worth anything for any FO at this point.

shimmydamp

It's not wrong information if it is true. They are able to to apply and be selected up to 1/3 of the SSP, are they not? You are going off of a story you have heard from the Women in Aviation conference and have applied it to the entire 9e pilot group and SSP going forward. The union response you quote is going off of the written agreement, aka actual information. Seeing as when Delta hires, they will be filling classes with at least 12 9e pilots a month, that's more than would have happened otherwise, and creates movement.

You have a way of distorting and purporting "facts" just to paint 9e in a negative light. You've used 850 pilots as the end number multiple times, even though that would go against the staffing numbers used right now, you've stated that all 9e has is a guaranteed interview which is worthless while there are actually guaranteed seats, and you've routinely tried to make a mountain out of this molehill, claiming 9e FOs are being held back by the SSP.

Things in bankruptcy have been bad enough with 3 CEOs, payroll issues, and wage cuts, you think you could just use real facts to make your case.

ShyGuy

Wouldn't you agree the WIA conference is proof? If indeed what the union said was true that any pilot can apply outside SSP and get an interviewthat way towards the quota, wouldn't that leave the Delta hiring team willing to meet 9E pilots go show up at a job fair? Instead what happened is they've been told you have a bridge agreement, no cuttin lines basically. If you want further proof, ask Compass guys about getting hired outside their flow, and now, interview program. You'll be surprised at the answer, but basically, it's get in line an wait your turn. You are correct that 9E got some guaranteed seats, though not a guaranteed job. However, evidence shows that no one will get hired outside the bridge agreement. Time will tell, but the recent conference update and past history does not bode well for acceptance outside the bridge agreement to cut the line.

As for the end state, 850 was a guess. Maybe 950. Or a 1000. Still not enough for over 50% of the group. The SSP will work for the top guys, those who choose to leave. Remember, with the end state of 850-1000 or so pilots, don't forget te lifer logjam. This means that those too old to go to Delta will rather retire at 9E. That's another CA seat that won't be vacated. Theoretically you could come to a stage where all 450-550 end state CAs decide to stay until retirement, further delaying upgrade. Not to mention, the Delta interview bad interview/reject. They too will be staying left seat. Between the bad interview guys and the guys who decide Delta not worth it, you will have a logjam. Without a chance to upgrade, FOs will not qualify for the SSP.

Fly782

There have been Compass guys' hired out of order...

Slats

Until I see 12 9E people a month occupying new hire seats for several months, I won't believe it...

If you believe it, I'm assuming you're still looking for Sasquatch.

ross9238

Is that 12 from 9E getting to interview or are they required to have 12 for each class?

TeddyKGB

Each class will have 9 XJ flows. I think there are still around 60 XJers who have flow tickets.