Well apparently they were "okay" with it when 9E was standalone so why not.

 

That's very debatable.....

 

There were only 3 guys on the 9E merger committee so that would be the entire committee. They were good guys, I find it hard to believe that they would be the only ones in there bashing Colgan guys.

disclaimer: I dont work there so this could be true, who knows.

 

I am really sorry to have opened up this proverbial "can of worms" but I will say that many on APC are misdirecting their anger. First, it was Delta that created and then destroyed an entire fleet with no regard to the human impact, and it was most definitely NOT the MECs or any pilot committee that created the list. Arbitrator Bloch came up with "his" list all on his own with no regard to any of the recommendations, and most importantly NONE of the line pilots had one iota of input to the decision, they were all pawns in the world of transportation, global competition, and labor politics.

Have you ever noticed that the people that make the rules generally run banks and banks derive their power because they have YOUR money. "THEY" use "OUR" money to create new companies and then hire "US" and we bid against each other to work for the lowest rate "THEY" can negotiate, but "THEY" are using "OUR" money to empower themselves. (see the creation of Jet Blue and Southwest)

 

For the 3 regional airline of XJ/9E/9L scope, it should have been DOH. XJ and 9E DOH would have been fair, and 9L would have had to spend more than 15 months before upgrading to Captain. Oh no! DOH would have impeded "career expectations" of Colgan pilots. Yeah, how are those career expectations today when your airline doesn't exist.

It was all complete BS. It should have been DOH, accept, and move on. Of course, the 9E merger committee fought for only the senior 9E side of things. I heard directly from one of those 3 merger committee members that the "CRJ 900 group being a category by itself was our worse case scenario."

Ask yourself, whose worse case scenario? Certainly not mine. Only the top senior at 9E. Because our -900 category is only 16 planes and therefore a lot smaller than XJs.

 

You should have been on the merger committee. You could have straightened that whole mess out.

 

however, they were told (by many of the same people that now criticize them) "shoot for the stars or you don't represent me!" Every committee did what they thought was right for THEIR airline, this was not a "welcome aboard, neighbor" meeting. If the 9e comittee had shot for DOH there would be just as many 9e guys PO'd at them as there are now, it is a thankless job that puts you between a rock and a hard place. And many of the mid guys would feel even more "screwed" that there would be twice as many XJ guys in front of them. How many 10 year XJ guys got stuck behind 5 year 9e guys? buttloads that would be in front of them with DOH. DOH would have PO'd the entire colgan group, 75% of the 9e group and none of the XJ group. Think we would have been asking for 9e merger committee heads to roll then?

 

I would have if given the chance. I don't remember them asking for any volunteers in an email. They picked their own crowd. You think 9E would have wanted a guy who sided with XJ and said DOH? Remember, the 9E committee shut my thread on airlinks where I said DOH, not relative. Do the math.

 

First of, you cannot shoot for the moon in front of a neutral arbitrator. You have to be somewhat reasonable. The other two groups were completely reasonable from they were coming from. 9E was not. DOH would be a much better pill for everyone. It would have been easier to swallow even back then. I know I would have done at least 150-200 better. More importantly, you wouldn't have disparities with a 2008 Colgan holding RJ Captain while a 2007 9E pilot is left with nothing. As for the rest, DOH for our regionals would have been the most fairest method. Both XJ and 9E were very similar in terms of being around since the 80s or earlier. It's true XJ had the more senior group, but at least they had a flow and were having guys go to Delta. It would have created some movement. For Colgan, they knew they were screwed ever since the Feb 2009 crash. A regional cannot screw up that bad and still expect to be around. I don't think DOH would have POed 75% of the 9E group. All of the 9E FOs would have done better with DOH, because then the Colgan disparity wouldn't exist. 9E FOs make up ~ 50% of the 9E pilot group, so at worst 50% of the 9E group (CA side) would have been negatively affected by DOH. And lets be honest, it *is* BS that a 2000 or 2001 XJ pilot is behind a 2006 9E or 2007 Colgan guy. That is wrong.

 

I have zero skin in the game and all I can say is I think the solution was fair and equitable.

OK. so is there any single individual that read that and said "you changed my mind"?

PM me and I will PayPal you $100 if you agree.


Seriously, you can ask the guy that gets $100 if I actually paid him/her because I will publish the winners user name. . .

but I hope the winner would honestly have changed their mind although I realize it's probably not true.