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B200 Hawk 04-27-2013 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by yeah sure (Post 1399266)
IMO, the difference is that TSA is a privately owned business vs. these other airlines. If the business fails, the owner takes a personal hit/loss whereas these other CEO's just take their farewell bonus and move on. Bad as it's been, TSA has withstood the test of time and they continue to be profitable even if it has sometimes been at the expense of their employees. Who knows about longevity but as I said, it's not as easy for a privately held business to just shut down like they did Comair. The regional airline business has been cut throat and much as we hate it, TSA's penny pinching has kept us in jobs (most of us).

+1, they know how to run in that black ink.

RgrMurdock 04-27-2013 04:22 PM

This place isn't all that bad. Perceptions can change over time. And no I'm not saying that this place is the best regional of all time but things have gotten much better over several years. The new contract gives us average or slightly above average pay rates. And cancellation pay on a leg by leg basis is better than most. Is the contract perfect? Absolutely not. Management has also been much better. There is FAR less animosity between management and the pilot group as there has been in the past. The new planes and other leases on older planes have been extended past the date of anticipated arrival of the MRJ - 2015-2016 time frame. There's an agreement between TSA and TSH that stipulates that the first 10 MRJ's are coming to TSA. 50 orders and options for 50 more. Like others have already stated, predicting future upgrade time is a complete shot in the dark because the unexpected can and usually does happen in this industry. Right now upgrade times in the immediate future would be around a year or slightly less. But 3-6 months from now that could all change. A lot depends on attrition to the majors just like every regional. Overall TSA is much better than it was years ago. It's not the best but it is far from the worst.

TallFlyer 04-27-2013 04:27 PM

I appreciate the info. I definitely understand how it can all change in a heartbeat. Realistically, a large part of the decision rests on who calls first.

Out of curiousity, what's the average days off for line holders?

DryMotorBoatin 04-27-2013 05:51 PM

It's great to hear its getting good there. There is no more deserving group of pilots. Miss you guys.

jackal24 04-28-2013 08:58 PM


IMO, the difference is that TSA is a privately owned business vs. these other airlines.
AWAC is also privately owned.

skyxbomb 04-28-2013 09:07 PM

I heard TSH will start up another airline to operate their MRJs

TBucket 04-29-2013 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by skyxbomb (Post 1399856)
I heard TSH will start up another airline to operate their MRJs


You mean trans-go-pass-jets?

yeah sure 04-29-2013 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by jackal24 (Post 1399854)
AWAC is also privately owned.

It was a general statement.

nordo 05-04-2013 05:55 AM

Mesa has an IAD base that's junior, 60% day trips, all 700 flying and unlike TSA you won't be eating Indian food and suffering a training department that's still trying to figure out how to train. Mesa is a much better place than it was a few years ago, the pilot group and mgmt actually try and work together to keep things going smoothly. Check it out, the crews at IAD are top notch and its good flying!

bernouli 05-04-2013 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by yeah sure (Post 1400221)
It was a general statement.

Or an ignorant one.


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