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Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 1426868)
I think your boy missed the mark this time. That is, if your source is that raving mad attack dog on the other forum.
He gets good info the majority of the time. But when he's wrong; he's wrong big time. We have a few like him on our boards too. Usually reliable. Not so much this time though.
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1426581)
No eaglelounge here. My very good FO told me so and then I went straight to the source.
Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1426586)
Refer to post#3. Do you even read the post?
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Originally Posted by astec
(Post 1426860)
Those aren't whispers, those are facts
That's the truth, not all this Internet junk. Worst of it is this mec might actually b scale new hires to get shiny planes and fast upgrades, to minimize cuts for those here now. |
Originally Posted by Wingtips
(Post 1426889)
That's the truth, not all this Internet junk. Worst of it is this mec might actually b scale new hires to get shiny planes and fast upgrades, to minimize cuts for those here now.
The MEC has over the last few years given away stuff that affects the junior pilots the most in exchange for keeping the senior guys happy. Company says we need this much from the captains as they are to expensive, the union says we'll give you that much but spread it around and the company says yes just to turn around and say we need this much more because the senior pilots cost to much and the union says we'll spread it around and this goes on and on. This is how negotiations have gone the last few years. This happened on the BK TA and this is what is happening today. But a B scale is not really going to work unless it has some guarantee at American and I am not talking about just an interview or 35% of classes with 3k guys ahead of you. I think this is all a push to get PBS passed as well as some items the company is not happy with in the contract. |
Originally Posted by Wingtips
(Post 1426853)
Shrinking fleet, delayed flow, lies about vacation pay, metered 824, and USAirway's demanding us to be cost competitive with pinnacle or the beatings continue.
ATR fleet gone ERJ-135 scheduled to be gone in 6 months (18ish aircraft) (2014 is when the so called fleet replacement is/was supposed to start) Delayed Flow: Due to APA's timeline, an AA furlough must be on property by 1 August to be able to partake in the 75-100K payout. This made the July classed the latest for people to accept recall, many guys waited until the last minute as to allow the junior folks to go ahead of them in the pipeline and give themselves some cushion and time. Lies about vacation pay: We gave away some of the premium in vacation pay during the BK contract, what lies are you talking about? I haven't heard any issues with VAC pay yet, but I am sure there will be since the current American Eagle management is using our contract as wrapping paper while they pack their offices. Metered 824: Likely, but remains to be seen. It will be hard for Eagle to offer a B scale, staff a replacement fleet and flow pilots at a high rate with other attrition so something will have to give. US Airways demanding lower cost: Sure they are asking for concession due to the "non-competitive" cost our senior pilots provide, but I still stand that this is more posturing to ensure that PBS is passed and other items are squared away in the contract that will give the company a large amount of savings as it takes away our ability to make some extra $$$$. |
We still have 135's? I feel really bad for those pax!
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What's the reason for so many being opposed to PBS?
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Originally Posted by MikeB525
(Post 1427242)
What's the reason for so many being opposed to PBS?
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Originally Posted by What
(Post 1426885)
Mason you have it all wrong!
The guy Mason is referring is an emotional guy who often does bring good information and arguments to light but he is wrong at times as well. But RJ is just an angry person who tries to spread fear and gloom, he thrives on Eagle's struggles and celebrates when things happen that affect people. RJ you are just twisting words and spreading fear, we call you out on it on a daily basis but you continue... I also hear he is accurate much more than not; but when he's wrong.... he's way off. He seems to have good sources from our side of the fence as well. Not sure how to take him yet. Do you know who he is? is he a CA or FO? young guy, older guy? Just trying to figure out what makes him tick. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 1427830)
I hadn't heard him described as emotional. I've heard him described as committed and determined; but not emotional. That's a new one. I'll keep it in mind.
I also hear he is accurate much more than not; but when he's wrong.... he's way off. He seems to have good sources from our side of the fence as well. Not sure how to take him yet. Do you know who he is? is he a CA or FO? young guy, older guy? Just trying to figure out what makes him tick. What makes him tick. He was very involved with the union and things didn't wen't south. He has his sources and something happen where he supposedly came across some information that was supposed to be on the wraps. The MEC came after him hard trying to get him fired. He has been calling the MEC on their shenanigans for a while even before this incident but I am sure that what Tony and company did helped his determination. He has been one of the guys spearheading the recall of the MEC and they don't like that one bit. He has also been one of the guys looking into the funds abuse and he really stroke a nerve as many of the things he had been saying were accurate. Tony tried to get him fired because of NDA stuff but were unable to prove it. I don't know if he has an agenda, but he doesn't have an agenda against the pilots. He could be a good asset for the union but due to the corruption at the head of our union he is not being utilized. He is not someone who you probably want as the face of the union but he could do a good job supporting. The problem is that Tony has an agenda and anyone who gets in his ways gets screwed. Tony hates the pilots, we are a hinderance to him. As days go by more people are realizing this but I still think that we don't have enough people who care to make a difference so we will continue to have the issues we've been having. |
Originally Posted by Mason32
(Post 1427830)
I hadn't heard him described as emotional. I've heard him described as committed and determined; but not emotional. That's a new one. I'll keep it in mind.
I also hear he is accurate much more than not; but when he's wrong.... he's way off. He seems to have good sources from our side of the fence as well. Not sure how to take him yet. Do you know who he is? is he a CA or FO? young guy, older guy? Just trying to figure out what makes him tick. What makes him tick. He was very involved with the union and things didn't wen't south. He has his sources and something happen where he supposedly came across some information that was supposed to be on the wraps. The MEC came after him hard trying to get him fired. He has been calling the MEC on their shenanigans for a while even before this incident but I am sure that what Tony and company did helped his determination. He has been one of the guys spearheading the recall of the MEC and they don't like that one bit. He has also been one of the guys looking into the funds abuse and he really stroke a nerve as many of the things he had been saying were accurate. Tony tried to get him fired because of NDA stuff but were unable to prove it. I don't know if he has an agenda, but he doesn't have an agenda against the pilots. He could be a good asset for the union but due to the corruption at the head of our union he is not being utilized. He is not someone who you probably want as the face of the union but he could do a good job supporting. The problem is that Tony has an agenda and anyone who gets in his ways gets screwed. Tony hates the pilots, we are a hinderance to him. As days go by more people are realizing this but I still think that we don't have enough people who care to make a difference so we will continue to have the issues we've been having. Sounds like Tony tried to burn the wrong guy. Keep up the good work. With us as short as we are and the industry hiring projections; I'd bet the US demands are just a last minute grab for more concessions. I'll bet it wouldn't change their plans either way. |
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