{QUOTE}The pay scale that you’re using is over 6 years old. Name one regional that hasn't had a new TA in over 6 years and 6 years ago our pay scale was top of the industry as well. In 2007 our new 200/700/900 rates are respectively (11 yr CA) 78/82/82, 2008 78/83/83, 2009 78/84/84, and 2010 78/85/85.

What are you smoking? Congrats! Your 2007 70 seat rate be, oh, still lower than the ASA rate from 1998. You seem to be so good with #'s, but that rate is 8 years old.

I guess I don't know what the word top means, but it usually means the high mark in the industry. Maybe you should try industry average.

Yes Comair is having a hard time right now, maybe we should use Horizon, but they put us all to shame with their pay rates.

Damn Smokey that's Funny! YES, I do know that their current TA was agreed to in 1998. But what I don't know is how ASA could have had a pay scale 8 years ago for an aircraft they did have until March of 2002. Using my fingers I was about to count and I figure that was about 4 1/2 years ago. So what you actually mean is that they negotiated an amendment to their 98 TA for the 70 in 02. That must be nice, we at SKW didn't want to fly our 70's for 50 seat pay, Mgmnt made us.

Eagle got their first in 01 and Horizon in mid 02.

Plus, I over night quite often with Horizon pilots and even they know that their next TA will have concessions. Seeing that they lost the F9 flying and Alaska operating cost are still too high.

Puff, Puff, give Smokey.

Really? Is this what they say? Well they aren't the pilots I work with. Why the hell would we take any concessions when we've made money for three years straight, had two consecutive record profit quarters, and are getting more 76 seat Q400s that make a fair profit for the company?:mad: :confused:

As far as "losing" the Frontier contract. I wouldn't call it that. We needed the airplanes for our own system and Frontier wanted a cheap ***** airline to lower thier costs in the face of competition.

Alaska's operating costs may be too high, by they aren't Horizon. And I don't work for Alaska.

That's funny, last I checked Horizon was wholly owned by Alaska. And as far as making money take a look at ASA and Comair. ASA has been the most profitable regional posting the highest Q earnings. Yes, Alaska isn't in bankruptcy but what do your thinks going to happen when Virgin starts up in less than 230 days and starts to compete with there North American routes. Virgin is supposed to have significantly less operating cost than Alaska. Now don't get me wrong, I like Alaska and I don't want Virgin to even get off the ground but I can't control that.

Alaska will have to reduce total cost and Horizon, being a wholly owned airline of Alaska, will have to as well. It's business 101; if Alaska needs to cut cost then a well paid labor force will be the first place they turn. If you don't believe me then just look at Comair and if you still don't then just wait.

I hope I’m wrong, but the written on the wall. When Alaska needs to cut more cost no part of Alaska is safe.

Well, last time I checked Horizon was owned by Alaska Air Group which owns both Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air. You should know how a holding company works, you work for one. Do you work for ASA? No. You work for SkyWest, a subsidiary of SkyWest, Inc. Alaska's goal of a 7.25 or lower CASM is nowhere near what Horizon is looking for. Do we need to cut costs? Certainly. There are many initiatives underway to reduce costs.

As far as the reference to the profits of ASA and Comair...well, as an employee of SkyWest you know all too well that it is quite easy to make a profit when you get paid a guaranteed profit. It's a whole different thing when you a majority of your flying is a your own risk. 70% of Horizon's passengers don't connect to any other airline. There is no comparison between the two business models.

Virgin America. If they ever get their operating certificate we'll see what happens. Just remember they will directly compete with your cash cow United, too. And probably less directly with your other cash cow Delta.

Forgive me for not clarifying "Group," I misunderstood you intelligence when I thought that was understood.

The majority of our flying may be based on our code shares but we do a lot of "at risk flying" with our Bros.

[quote=JetJock16;87647]That must be nice, we at SKW didn't want to fly our 70's for 50 seat pay, Mgmnt made us.

I'm still waiting for you to show me where Skywest is "tops".

And your Horizon argument is funny, what do you suggest? We keep lowering the bar because management says they aren't making enough profit? No thanks, are you management?

[QUOTE=BALZAHARI;87956]Read my other posts about pay where I spell out the entire pay policy at SKW. I constantly block 83-88 hours but get paid 95 – 105 (that's about 10 + hours more per month), does your airline have these kind of guaranteed credits. Each quarter our average CA gets about $1000 in bonuses ($4000 + per year) and the FO's get about half. Add it all up and you'll get the big picture. I won’t even get started with QOL.

Management? Idiot! LOL

[QUOTE=JetJock16;87995]So, what you are saying is that you are guaranteed 10+ hours credit over your block?

[QUOTE=BALZAHARI;87956]The whole not making a profit, lets take it from the employees stuff is a bunch of bull sh!t. If you aren't making enough money, try charging enough for your product. If the cost of beef goes up, you dont see McDonalds lowering its wages. Your happy meal costs more. My wife bought a ticket from DFW to ORD for a business trip the other day. It leaves this thursday. Round trip cost, $153 including all taxes and fees. A coworker also bought a ticket after that one for about the same price. Prices need to go up instead of pay going down.